@neil chat is a mess, with no easy way out #4opens

For people to see the history of #4opens commination, https://activism.openworlds.info/tags/modteam

#modteam

https://dwebcamp.org/people/ these people are more "problem" than they are "solution", why do you think this might be so?

#4opens #openweb #dweb

The undeclared war on #4opens is becoming "common sense" on the #fediverse with the shift to #mainstreaming this is back to the mess we were stepping away from with our #openweb reboot.

We use the #4opens as a tool https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/wiki

It's a social test for #foss and #opensource that we do need as you say.

@e8johan we do need a space for "commons" content upload, this was a good project hope It's still working #4opens

#OGB is focusing on #4opens work flows https://visionon.tv/w/7KgwEmxP3e1Jztktviyj1c if we get it coded, we have a democratic layer to #FOSS and grassroots #DIY governance in general. We desperately need to step away from #fudalisam of our current tech.

#APconf Shouldn't we livestream our conversation on #OwnCast instead? 😁

2. Who or what is this not for?

Owncast is not for video conferencing or any use case where multiple people are wanting to see video of each other. It’s also not a good choice if you have tight real-time requirements as HLS video has inherent delays.

#BBB is a good choice and is #4opens yes we do have to do manual posting of #AP not a big issue. Maybe we can ask #FOSShost Agen?

@rimu @witchescauldron

Diversity is good as is transparency #4opens yep, popcorn time in a good way, let's see :)

@orsinium this is a bad path to start down. Best not to step away from the #4opens and the native #openprocess flow built into our #FOSS traditions.

@jerry Humm... Let me see what's wrong we do need more #4opens sys admins to help out on this #openweb project #OMN

The #OGB is important to develop better ways of having "trust" based conversations and "trust" based "governance" in the #openweb. It is built on years of on-the-ground organizing and emphasizes the need for voluntary cooperation and collaboration. The project recognizes the problems in alternative tech, starting with the #4opens to remove complexity to building governance structures that are native to the #fediverse. The #OGB address the limitations of #mainstreaming approaches.

#Lemmy and #kbin are clones of #Reddit, a libertarian individualist codebase built to feed from our "communities". In this Lemmy etc are good #4opens step away from the #dotcons but not radical left project beyond this first needed step.

#indymediaback #OGB #OMN #makeinghistory are projects building to stride away from the current mess.

@handle it's a clone of Reddit, which is a libertarian individualist codebase built to feed from our "communities". In this Lemmy etc are a good #4opens step away from the #dotcons but not radical left project beyond this first needed step.

#indymediaback #OGB #OMN #makeinghistory are projects building to stride away from the current mess.

@TomSeppert @andrasbacsai

Yes this shift has undermined one of the foundations of #FOSS the loss of #openprocess #4opens

Thinking about #AI harvesting our online text, it's the price (and delight) of #opendata, and this is what the #openweb is.

We are not doing #closedweb projects, though you can use a non-commercial #CC licence as a part of the #4opens to mediate this.

@danhon it's the price (and delight) of #opendata, and this is what the #openweb is.

We are not doing #closedweb projects, though you can use a non-commercial CC licence as a part of the #4opens to mediate this.

We need to stop just using #fahernista agenda and projects as if they were native #openweb they are often not.

In general, they take grassroots/activist native process and then systematize them as #mainstreaming friendly, and thus agenda.

We way too often in a lazy way repeat them as "native" and thus shift what is native.

More shit to compost, please don't keep making this mess, thanks.

#4opens #OMN #indymediaback #OGB

@shibacomputer @bob

For the last 15 years most activists have been organising direct action in the #dotcons so a step to the #openweb is a good step.

I was involved in the setting up of the instance we are talking about, when pushing this I pushed it was #4opens after it was out of the hands of #submedia the talk of "hardening" began, and is still ongoing bad pushing of a foles agenda. It's #openweb not #closedweb

They are different paths with only slight overlap.

The #mainstreaming talking about my subject https://publicinfrastructure.org/podcast-download/1307/81-ben-tarnoff-2.mp3

#openweb #4opens #mastodon