@5am also @signalapp is inherently #centralized and like all #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider solutions can't be trusted!

I just don't have any evidence yet that they're an #ANØM-Style #Honeypot but I'd declare every LEA "criminally incompetent" if they didn't already #EncroChat themselves inside and put every phone # of every user on a watchlist.

Or does anyone think the CIA & NSA didn't find a successor operation to #MINERVA?

#Signal is signalling all the wrong vibes to me!

@Marie @Amelia @slips ask those that set the #OVH #datacenter on fire in retaliation for the #EncroChat hack...

@jz @nblr Eeyupp...

All shit that #monoclesChat or any other #XMPP+#OMEMO or #PGP/MIME - compatible client just doesn't do.

@signalapp in my eyes is at best begging to be infiltrated like #EncroChat if not outright a #HoneyPot like #ANØM!

DON'T USE IT!
DON'T ADVOCATE FOR IT!
TELL OTHERS TO DO THE SAME!
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110864976153746039

@itzzenxx @Seirdy @vamanimal @neurovagrant @iatendril What I'm saying is:

@signalapp is a sting operation just like #ANØM, #EncroChat and #CryptoAG were...

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110776895782438385

@itzzenxx @Seirdy @vamanimal @neurovagrant

You know, all the arguments in favour of #Signal remind me of something...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG

If @signalapp is not an op like #ANØM nor being subverted like #EncroChat then I'd call the entire LEA/INTEL apparatus of the USA out as criminally incompetent...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110776834522375761

Just admit that you're all just having an escalating commitment because cognitive dissonance is real.

Once #Signal is busted, you all owe me an apology, cuz #ToldYaSo!

@vamanimal @Seirdy @signalapp @neurovagrant @itzzenxx

- Phone Number
- IP adresses
- All the Data Packets sent to and from Signal

That alone is way too much, and the only move would be to fully decentralize stuff like #eMail and #XMPP is.

They chose not to and instead run the same "business model" that #EncroChat & #ANØM did, except they'd not even get paid by the users...

Do you even know how expensive an operation like that is to run?

#Signal is just another #CryptoAG!

@neurovagrant @fla @Seirdy Relying on a #centralized #SingleVendor / #singleProvider solution like @signalapp / #Signal is even more dangerously naive as equally centralized solutions like #EncroChat or #ANØM:

Or do you naively believe governments that strictly enforce #LawfulInterception will just not care because it's #Signal?
Hell no!

There's a reason #XMPP - #OMEMO and other protocols where users own the keys are still around: Because they work and ain't Single-Vendor/Single-Provider!

@Seirdy @neurovagrant just use #XMPP over #Tor then...
Also it's not done with "Just use Signal" because #ITsec, #InfoSec, #OpSec & #ComSec are all interlinked.

#Signal is for gullible #TechIlliterates that are too lazy to learn despite being #TechLiterate is part of their job.

Assholes like #GlennGreenwald for example...

Signal will inevitably crash down like #EncroChat and #ANØM before...

People like @salt@mastodon.world are the kind of gullible folks that'll instantly buy an #EncroChat or #ANØM smartphone and then wounder how their criminal enterprise gets busted.

Context:
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110752107334508277

@JorisMeys Differnt brand - same issue.

Whilst #Signal has yet to be confirmed as #PRISM collaborator, it too is a #centralized & #proprietary #SingleVendor / #SinlgeProvider "solution" and thus inevitably susceptible to state-sponsored attacks and easy to force into compliance with facist demands.

You might as well use #EncroChat or #ANØM instead.
https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968

Real professionals will use #XMPP - #OMEMO as #decentralized, #OpenSource and thus inherently more resilient option!

@lrhodes This alone should be reason enough not to trust #NSAbook or any other #GAFAM|s with anything one wouldn't publicly post...

JFC did the people learn nothing out of the #EncroChat & #ANØM / #OperationIronside / #OperationTrojanShield debacles?

Do I have to drag out that old #PRISM slide again??
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110644134995666721

@Anibyl @chris that's because it's a #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider #app and thus inherently insecure.

If your #OpSec, #InfoSec, #ComSec and #ITsec relies on "non-cooperative providers" you'll inevitably be susceptible to using #HoneyPot|s like #ANØM or be targeted by #Govware operations like the one happening with #EncroChat.
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@enno not that surprising given that every #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider "solution" for communications will inherently have #Govware #backdoors, otherwise they'd be illegal!

That's why noone who takes #ITsec, #InfoSec, #OpSec & #comSec 100% seriously will use them for anything but posting public info.

That's how the drug dealers using #EncroChat & #ANØM got caught and why noone should trust any #VPN or #Messenger!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVDQEoe6ZWY
https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968

@kvuzet Sorry, but people who are literally so stupid to trust #proprietary, #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider "solutions" like #EncroChat, #ANØM, #ProtonMail - or whatever #honeypot for that matter - should be jailed just "criminal stupidity" alone...

@AnarchoNinaWrites OFC!

In fact, all those services stench like the #Honeypots they are and I'd call LEAs to be "criminally incompetent" if they didn't sabotage it [#EncroChat] or did actually run it from day 0 [#ANØM]...

Cuz when push comes to shove, they'll all rat out their users!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCx_G_R0UmQ
https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/1085614812581715968

@AnonNewsDE Nach der Logik dürften keine*r der Nutzer*innen von #encroChat und #ANØM strafrechtlich verfolgt werden!

@atomicpoet everyone who trusts any of the #PRISM collaborators, espechally #NSAbook, disqualifies themselves for any #security-based discussion - period!

Fact is: #AllGafamsAreEvil and every #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider solution is either #backdoored by governments (i.e. #ANØM) or literally illegal and will be attacked (i.e. #EncroChat).

So no, don't trust #WhatsApp nor #Threema nor #Telegram nor #Keybase nor #Signal.

@terraboop same for me...

It's like people that want #WhatsApp :whatsapp: but don't trust #Facebook / #NSAbook :facebook: and then fall for shitty #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider options like @threemaapp, @signalapp, #EncroChat & #ANØM...

And we all know what happened to those that used EncroChat and #ANOM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9wnMXvgOc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANOM

#OperationIronside #OperationTrojanShield #TrøjanShield

@tomatospy I mean, people who fall for "#CrimePhone" #scams like #EncroChat, #ANØM, #OMERTA and others are just gullible idiots and should be jailed just for "criminal stupidity" alone.

The only winning move is to refuse all #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider "Solutions" becuase they all are inherently bad - period!

Okay, this is just embarrassing...

Whoever thinks any #SingleVendor / #SingleProvoider solution can be good, should read this teardown of #Converso:

#TLDR: Compare to that #ANØM was an engineering Masterpiece and #EncroChat gave all their shits to protect users.

https://crnkovic.dev/testing-converso/