На полном автопилоте на Tesla Model 3 по Ульяновску.

Установлена FSD beta v10. 11-й пока ни у кого в РФ нет.

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@adamjcook @nafnlaus my opinion of The Dawn Project and O’Dowd is that they are doing nothing more than performing their own equally unsafe public tests of the #FSDBeta with no more or less concern for safety-critical systems than Tesla has, with the apparent goal is to make FSD look unsafe, apparently as some sort of public service. Unfortunately, the fact that O’Dowd owns a company offering a competing software solution undermines his credibility, and his egging on of Tesla influencers to come see for themselves reeks of an “I’m right, you’re wrong” attitude which suggests ulterior motive. He also seems remarkably well funded as Super Bowl ads aren’t cheap.

While you may not find it interesting, it is relevant. I assume you would take issue with a third party utilizing a competitors solution in an unsafe manner for their own benefit?

While I don’t argue that FSD is unsafe, I do take issue with how O’Dowd is trying to mask his own self-interest as a matter of public safety.

@ariegoldshlager Tesla owners with the #FSDBeta option can choose to manually turn it off, leaving the car no different from any other Tesla on the road. Personally I think they should disable it, but they won’t because Elon would never agree to it.

@particles as someone who has the #FSDBeta, I think the smartest thing others can do is to turn it off and just drive their car like a normal person. Your drive isn’t safer when you’re constantly on edge waiting for the car to mess up something simple, or to do something stupid at the worst possible time.

@luke There’s a lot of Elon hate here (which is understandable to a degree) that translates into hatred of anything associated with him, so you have people gleefully rubbing their hands together at the thought of a traditional recall pulling cars off the road and costing Tesla millions.

Most of those people have no idea what Full Self Driving is, where it’s available, or much else, they’re just happy to have their negative views reinforced by bad news for Tesla which means bad news for Elon. The fact that this will be addressed via a software update is lost in them screaming TESLA RECALL!! at the top of their lungs.

That said, as someone who has access to #FSDBeta I can say with confidence that it’s nowhere close to being ready for prime time and makes dangerous mistakes endlessly, so I have it turned off. No Tesla on the road today will ever support “self driving” the way Elon repeatedly suggested based on my experience.

A note to those posting about the #Tesla #FSDBeta recall assuming it spells doom and gloom for the company.

This is not a recall in the traditional sense of the term. The vehicles are not being returned to Tesla for service and Tesla will not incur significant costs to facilitate the recall

The recall does not apply to all Tesla vehicles, only those where the Full Self Driving (FSD) option was purchased

These vehicles will remain on the road and the FSD feature is not being removed from these vehicles

Affected vehicles will be updated automatically over the air by Tesla to fix the issues identified by NHTSA and owners won’t be required to “do” anything other than tap a button in the car. It’s no different than updating your smartphone.

If you’re expecting this to result in vehicles you consider unsafe being taken off the road, prepare to be disappointed

@sclyde Personally I don’t believe any current Tesla on the road will ever be “self driving” in the way that Elon repeatedly inferred. We might eventually have some sort of Level 2/3 functionality that requires some degree of driver supervision, but none of this autonomous Robotaxi nonsense he was pushing in 2019/2020.

To me, vehicle hardware and camera placement simply isn’t up to the task. Existing hardware was obviously designed to support Autopilot lane keeping on highways, and #FSDBeta performance supports this position.

New hardware / cameras / positioning would be needed, and likely not available for retrofit, meaning no Tesla on the road today will ever see “Full Self Driving” in any meaningful way. Elon has been trying to brute force a round peg into a square hole through sheer will and salesmanship, but it’s becoming increasingly obvious that it’s not going to happen.

@sclyde agreed, Twitter was indeed an echo chamber of pro Elon / Tesla opinion, often to the point where it was detrimental. I’m glad to be rid of that.

However, I can visualize Mastodon users who hate Elon and Tesla (because they can’t separate their dislike of the man from the companies and products he’s associated with), breathlessly boosting while gleefully rubbing their hands at the thought of hundreds of thousands of vehicles needing to be taken into the shop due to a recall at a cost of millions to Tesla.

It’s no doubt anticlimactic to then realize that the issue will be fixed through a software update sent over the air so your car can be fixed while it sits in your driveway, much like the updates your smartphone gets.

Still, this is probably the first time they’ve had to do a recall while stating that #FSDBeta is potentially unsafe (which I believe it is), so that’s got to sting a bit.

@theromit fortunately for owners, recall in this case (and others) means an over the air software update delivered to the car while it’s parked in your garage. One of the nicer aspects of ownership.

Still, this is probably the first time they’ve had to refer to #FSDBeta as being potentially unsafe (which it is).

@ai6yr the one upside is the fact that they can update the cars over the air, so it’s easy to fix without owner involvement. Still, this is probably the first time they’ve had to admit that #FSDBeta is potentially problematic and unsafe (which I’ve long believed it is).

@adamjcook @maxkennerly based on personal experience (I own a 2018 Model 3 w/FSD), what Tesla refers to as FSD is effectively Autopilot on urban streets. While I’ve found that Autopilot works perfectly well as a driver-assistance feature on highways (lane keeping, speed control, lane changes), the #FSDBeta in an urban environment is generally unsafe, prone to sudden unexpected error, and reliant on hardware that (in my opinion) was never designed to support such things.

Look no further than B-pillar camera placement (obviously designed for highways) and how badly this impacts the ability of the vehicle to make safe unprotected left or right turns. This needs a complete overhaul if FSD is to be anywhere close to what Musk repeatedly claims.

If people expect a Level 5 autonomous vehicle such as those in Minority Report from Tesla, they’ll be waiting a very long time, possibly forever.

@4FC @adamjcook agreed, I know #FSDBeta owners who will let the car do things it shouldn’t do just to “see what it will do” but in doing so they aren’t adding data points (by taking over) that might lead to the system being taught that such behaviour is unwanted.

When I had the beta installed on my Model 3 it made so many errors that I wasn’t comfortable having it enabled unless I was alone in the car, and even that only lasted a few weeks before I noped out of the program.

People should not be running beta self driving code in public on something that has the possibility of killing someone if it makes a significant mistake. It’s not like running an iOS beta on my iPhone…

@halfpress this pretty much mirrors my experience as well. I ended up asking Tesla to remove the #FSDBeta code from my vehicle (which they did) and I have no regrets

@4FC @adamjcook another issue is the fact that some influencers in the #Tesla space seem oblivious to stupidity of their own actions.

I remember seeing a video some time last year of an influential #FSDBeta owner / YouTuber allowing their vehicle drive the wrong way down a busy one-way street, while filming it doing so, yet he seemed to not understand the stupidity of allowing it to do so in the first place.

While it’s worthwhile posting a video of FSD making mistakes, you should never allow the behaviour to persist just for the sake of filming it. The incorrect behaviour should have been corrected by the driver taking over the moment the car started to turn where it shouldn’t. Instead he wants to “see what it will do”?

I believe he eventually took the video down but that doesn’t negate the fact that he allowed the car to persist in performing incorrect and unsafe actions for much longer than any reasonable person would deem appropriate.

Do we want these people on our roads?

@adamjcook unfortunately a lot of this stems from Elon being obstinate and refusing to back away from whatever stance he has taken to justify Tesla’s way of doing things.

I’m a Model 3 owner since 2018 and while I love the car (while not liking Musk at all), and that’s been my experience over the years. Whatever does or doesn’t get done is based on Elon’s opinion on the matter.

As someone who owns #FSDBeta I can confidently say that, based on my experience, it’s in no way ready for prime time and should not be available to public testers. It was so bad that I asked Tesla to remove the beta and reinstate production code (which they did). Luckily I didn’t pay very much for FSD, but I still feel like I was sold a bill of goods.

Elon’s fan base unfortunately will go to great lengths to obfuscate the reality in favour of endlessly hyping FSD as just around the corner. It isn’t.

In Canada we play a game called Am I On The Road? Can’t wait to see a Tesla try this in FSD. #Tesla #tsla #FSDbeta

In 2016 Tesla released a video demonstrating a Tesla driving through the streets of Palo Alto. They claimed it was completely self-driven and that the person in the driver’s seat was there only for legal reasons.

Tesla workers later revealed that the video was fabricated, done in multiple takes, with the driving system’s failures removed, including a crash into a fence. The video remains on Tesla’s website. #tesla #tsla #FSDbeta

Tesla calls self-driving technology 'failure,' not fraud in response to proposed class action lawsuit. Musk once said that if FSD failed it would be the end of Tesla. Now they’re admitting failure. There’s more than one reason #tsla stock is diving. #FSDbeta

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-12-08/tesla-lawsuit-full-self-driving-technology-failure-not-fraud

Wow #FSDBeta is amazing! My mind is blown🤯 congrats to the Tesla team for this release.

The future is here.

FSD Beta V11 partial release notes mention single stack for highways only, Smart Summon to come next month, says Musk

https://www.teslaoracle.com/2022/11/12/fsd-beta-v11-release-notes-single-stack-highways-only-smart-summon-next-month-musk/

#SoftwareUpdates #Autopilot(FSD) #ReleaseNotes #singlestack #SmartSummon #FSDBetaV11 #FSDBeta #News