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I respect #Vaush, but I don't think I could ever watch too much of him. .... so I gotta give him credit for that, even if it leads to him coming to some questionable conclusions.

So many words to say kirk is a dumbass. In that debate i legit thought vaush was not even trying, I have seen debate literal nazis and he rips them a new one. With kirk it felt he was petting a puppy.

Where all the Vaushites at?

#Vaush #Vaushite #AldensNumber

@sam From the jump, I think you may not understand my perspective of #ElonMusk: I completely accept that he's a hype man, in fact early on in this whole #Twitter saga I stated that his hobby is buying companies and inflating their value.

(Also in my response here I'm going to largely ignore #Vaush' "he's a bad person because I disagree with his politics, neo Nazi!" statements because it'd probably be better for us to agree to disagree on that point, I don't know how constructive arguing on that point is.)

#Vaush complains that "he is meaningfully detracting from the investment in public infrastructure". I'm not sure how true that is, but I don't mind that so long as he does a better job than the public sector at building infrastructure.

On #Neurolink, I actually think it's terrible technology. Interesting for science purposes, but I can't think of any use cases for it being gross abuse and misuse. #Vaush actually does a good job of explaining my disdain for this at 3:17; his tech is really cool, but it's important to remember that the coolest tech tends to be the most dangerous. If I wasn't a techie, I actually don't think I'd like #ElonMusk very much. However, when he says "what if everyone lived in their cars", I don't think it's a bad idea to create technology that empowers people to do so, #TimPool for example go himself an RV he can live in. It isn't good to promote this as a good, normal, daily lifestyle though.

Also, arguing that working off loans is indentured servitude is a bit of a brain dead take on #Vaush's part, it's no different than working off college debt.

For a ten minute video, I feel like there should be more to critique here, but yes like you said much of this video is hyperbole

@sam I don't particularly like #Vaush either, #Destiny is much better IMHO

Now don't take any of this to mean that I like #Vaush. I don't. I think he did badly in his debate with #CharlieKirk, although that didn't hurt him too much because so did #CharlieKirk lol.

#Vaush seems to be a master of marrying faulty claims with flawless logic. It's hard to argue with his logic but you can't lose sight of the fact that he sometimes makes assumptions that aren't true.

#NoahSamsen has the inverse problem: he comes to objectively good conclusions most(?) of the time, but he uses bad--if any--logic to get there.

The best defense of ideas requires facts with as little framing and assumptions as possible, with raw logic.

Hol up the more I watch this video, the more I realize that #NoahSamsen is just wrong and this video is bad. It comes from putting the cart before the horse, by putting the conclusion above the logic that takes you there.

For example, from his standpoint, black nationalism is good, and genocide is bad. However, when #Vaush points out that because of how populated the earth is, and how opposed most folks would be to a black separatist nation, violence would be necessary, that you legitimize violence and in some rare cases genocide. Now, #NoahSamsen chooses to state that he's wrong for saying black nationalists are sympathetic to genocide...despite playing a clip from somebody who is legitimately advocating for it, and then HIM CUTTING TO HIMSELF AGREEING!

Look dude, either say that genocide is legitimate in extreme cases, or that black nationalists are wrong if they support genocide. Don't let your support for a black separatist nation let you support genocide, and don't let your hatred for genocide prevent you from seeing that black nationalism enables it.

You must, ABSOLUTELY MUST understand that goals and means are two different things, and you can say "hey, black nations sound cool, I support those" while also saying "ethically, I can't support every single method that could possibly be used to achieve this goal".

#NoahSamsen is saying #Vaush was wrong, so if he's wrong, that's an entirely different situation. However, that section of the video should have been framed more like "get your facts straight" rather than "you're just a Nazi man"

Hmm I'm watching 40 minutes into a #breadtube vid and I kinda wanna clap back on a point #NoahSamsen is making...

He's claiming that #Vaush should never have stated in a debate with #NonCompete that Nazis claimed that Jewish control of the banks was bringing the country down, and that Jews did in fact own a majority of the banks, merely because that fact has been used as an antisemitic talking point.

I mean, facts are facts, it's different than using that fact to make a racist point. #Vaush wasn't saying that the Jews were evil, nor that they were actually bringing the country down, he was just acknowledging that they did indeed control more banks than other groups did.

Furthermore, #NonCompete fled to debate because his logic set him up to defend Nazism, and he was prepared to neither defend Nazis (understandable) nor abandon his logic (also understandable). See, he was stating that any group has the right to violently overthrow another group if they sensed they were being oppressed. Well, #Vaush (very validly) was pointing out that he was wrong, because the Nazis perceived themselves as oppressed by Jewish bankers, and violently oppressed them in return.

What #NoahSamsen needs to understand is the difference between a fact and a point. I understand that antisemites say "ah, Jews control the banks" to excuse their hatred of Jews. But that doesn't mean that anyone who points out that Jews own more banks than other groups also hates Jews. That's a parts-to-whole fallacy and keeps well-meaning people from accepting aspects of reality.