@stevelord @kas Incidentally, a second alternative along those lines would be to use #gensio to provide a reliable connection over an unreliable medium, and then use #nncp's nncp-daemon/nncp-call atop gensio.

I have thought about all this when I've considered running over #LoRA or #XBee SX links. In particular, in xbnet, I documented some #UUCP settings: https://github.com/jgoerzen/xbnet/blob/master/doc/xbnet.1.md#uucp

I haven't directly tried the NNCP-over-UUCP scenario, but I do think it should be fairly straightforward.

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How to tunnel NNCP over: #S3 #Nextcloud #Owncloud #WebDAV #ssh #tor #LoRA #Xbee #SFTP and #UUCP - https://floss.social/@jgoerzen/106786433628981477

My 12-yr-old decides to write an operating system and learn C. https://floss.social/@jgoerzen/106871449955753762

I offer #Usenet feeds over #NNCP. https://floss.social/@jgoerzen/106891544884588818

#Yggdrasil, the end-to-end encrypted #Mesh network that needs zero infra. https://floss.social/@jgoerzen/107584885919420001

Tools that work #Offline with #NoInternet. https://floss.social/@jgoerzen/107884945439834995

@deadparrot Hello! I'm a #rust/#rustlang person. Been using it at work for several years, and also have several crates out there. #Filespooler https://www.complete.org/filespooler/ is my most recent project. I'm also behind #xbnet and #lorapipe, which can tunnel TCP/IP or other data down #XBee SX or #LoRA long-distance radios.

Is This The Oldest Open Source HVAC Project In Existence?

https://hackaday.com/2022/08/22/is-this-the-oldest-open-source-hvac-project-in-existence/

#HeatingVentilationandAirConditioning #airconditioning #raspberrypi #ventilation #homehacks #esphome #heating #hvac #mqtt #xbee

@silwol @ManniCalavera @zkat @liw Hello Kat! Yes I am one that enjoys #rust (see also #rustlang for some reason). Can't say any of my crates are popular, but I've written some for tunneling TCP/IP across #LoRA and #XBee SX long-range, low-power radios using PPP or tun/tap. (see lorapipe, xbnet). Currently working on an asynchronous Unixy job queueing system I hope to announce in a few days. Been using Rust at work for a few years now also.

An addendum - if you have a phone line and #modem, #UUCP can get through just about anything. #ZModem too. These older protocols lack modern security themselves, but will deal with slow and noisy #serial links well. #XBee SX radios provide a serial link they can use.

@kensanata @kelbot @ND3JR Also ND3JR, hello from KR0L. Of course you can't use NNCP on the ham bands due to encryption, but I hope to soon get it running over #LoRa or #XBee long-range radios that run in the 900MHz ISM band. I have projects on Github for both LoRa and XBee radios as well.

@janriemer @jcholder Hi J.C.! I do a lot with #Rust (and also am fond of various other languages such as #Haskell). One of my favorite projects has been https://github.com/jgoerzen/xbnet in which I used Rust to tunnel #Ethernet and #IP frames over a packetized serial protocol on #XBee long-distance radios. But Rust is currently my go-to language for a lot of general tasks.

@th Yes, and in fact both #LoRa and #XBee do FEC at the physical layer. They packetize data, and guarantee that packets arrive without modification, but not that all packets arrive. So I need something with ARQ (retransmit) but lighter weight than TCP/IP

@stibbons I actually use #NNCP quite a bit (and used #UUCP back in the day also). Unlike UUCP, NNCP assumes a clean connection - a reasonable assumption for most these days. Actually one of my use cases for this would be running NNCP over this kind of link. The NNCP author's canonical suggestion for NNCP over serial is to use TCP over PPP. That works fine to provide reliability, but has too much overhead for these very slow #XBee modems. https://changelog.complete.org/archives/tag/nncp

How you can tunnel #NNCP over: #S3 #Nextcloud #Owncloud #WebDAV #ssh #tor #LoRA #Xbee #SFTP and even #UUCP: https://github.com/jgoerzen/nncp-tools/blob/main/docs/tunneling.org

Oh, and #IPFS will probably work too

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Let's look at the tech. For data link and networking, of course there are #LoRA, and #XBee. #meshtastic is atop #LoRA. #Briar can form a #Bluetooth mesh. #NNCP is a powerful delay-tolerant network. #cjdns and #Hyperboria form mesh networks, optionally using the existing Internet as a backhaul; their goal is nothing less than replacing the Internet. #Tor of course provides some of this too, at a different layer.

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Free our physical and data link layers. You don't have to use Internet from a phone company. Try #LoRA or #XBee radios, or 5GHz point-to-point. Or, heck, NNCP over USB sticks in a car. #Meshtastic is an off-the-grid IM system that does this. What else could you do if you dream big here?

@joeyh @ij Incidentally you may be able to do something with that. You could get something like a Nighthawk M1 cell access point, put a directional antenna on a pole, and get decent performance. Power it by solar of course. Then backhaul to your house... Maybe directional wifi or some licensed thing, or failing that, #XBee or #LoRA. XBee maxes out at 120Kbps. Reality is going to be less than that but may still be 2-3x what you'd get on 33.6 dialup

@ctonysem Yes! So on #hamradio bands in the US, encryption isn't allowed, but AX.25 (packet radio) works at 1200bps on VHF or 300bps HF and I have definitely run emacs over that 🙂

For true #ssh, I use #LoRA and #XBee devices. I wrote https://github.com/jgoerzen/xbnet to facilitate TCP/IP (or ssh) over XBee - my most advanced work in this area - and https://github.com/jgoerzen/lorapipe for a similar thing over LoRA.

I can run #ssh, #TCP, #PPP, #UUCP, even #Ethernet over long-range radio with xbnet!

@profoundlynerdy The wifi 2.4GHz band overlaps with a ham allocation, so people do some interesting things with high-power/high-gain wifi, especially with mesh.

It's not ham, but #LoRA and #XBee are also really nice. #Meshtastic is a long-distance communication system that can go several miles without cell infrastructure and forms a self-healing mesh.