"A source of inspiration for decentralized #anarchist #economies" — a text on #CyberSyn in #Chile https://transform-social.org/texte/cybersyn

Fifty years ago today, this experiment was overthrown in a bloody military coup.

#CHILE50 Mit dem Putsch gegen Allende 1973 endete auch das Experiment #Cybersyn, das Systemtheorie zu »science in the service of man«, zu emanzipativer Ökonomie machen sollte. Anna-Verena Nosthoff und @fmaschewski reflektieren die Kybernetisierung des Politischen: http://dietzberlin.de/die-unsichtbare-hand-des-plans

50 years ago today the first democratically elected #Marxist's #cybernetic #socialism was nipped in the bud by a #CIA-backed #fascist #coup and replaced by the first ever implementation of #neoliberalism.
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#NineEleven #Chile #Allende #Cybersyn

https://youtu.be/RJLA2_Ho7X0?si=jpVQqwgU2lmKUkSI

“Here we all are in a world that all of us think is dying, with governments that all of us think are shits, and we still can’t do anything about it.” Stafford Beer Interviews. Angela Espinosa Interviews Vanilla Beer - September 2023. #StaffordBeer #VSM #CyberSyn

Was #StaffordBeer familiar with #NLS? Would NLS have been a viable platform for #CyberSyn?

Is there an actual *written* version of Greg Borenstein's "Free as in Beer" "paper" about #CyberSyn?
https://www.compscifi.com/

#Chile #Cybersyn #Allende: "In the opening episode of The Santiago Boys, a new podcast “where technology is politics, and politics is technology”, the host, writer and academic Evgeny Morozov, delivers a warning: “It might get dizzy at times,” he says. “But I promise you, in the end, it will all make sense.”

He’s not wrong about the dizziness. This nine-part series tells the story of Salvador Allende, socialist president of Chile in the early 1970s, and his efforts to wrest control of technology from multinational corporations to create a fairer local economy. Allende hired the services of an eccentric consultant from Surrey, in south-east England, named Stafford Beer, and the “Santiago boys” of the title, a gaggle of young Chilean engineers. Together they masterminded Project Cybersyn, which would harness technology to monitor Chile’s industrial output and empower its citizens.

But the above description doesn’t do justice to the dense and wide-ranging story told here. The first episode alone takes in student unrest at Santiago’s Catholic University; the CIA’s attempts to block Allende’s election; a spy mission to Chile by Fidel Castro’s daughter; a tense meeting between Allende and UN officials in New York’s Waldorf Astoria hotel; and a bomb blast at the offices of a tech company in Manhattan’s Madison Avenue. The series is what you might call front-loaded, so much so that I ended up listening to the first episode several times to get my head around it."

https://www.ft.com/content/f70cfd9a-7d62-4834-abf7-615f4bee3229

#Chile #Allende #Socialismo #Cybersyn: "“Como sistema excêntrico de gestão cibernética, é louvável e interessante. Mas como uma forma de potenciar uma abordagem completamente diferente ao desenvolvimento industrial — feita de forma socialista, mas com a democracia presente — poderia ter-nos dado um equivalente à Coreia do Sul ou a Taiwan, ou a qualquer um destes países do Sudeste Asiático, que celebrámos nos anos 70 e 80 como os centros de desenvolvimento tecnológico, só que com um modelo muito diferente, sem o autoritarismo militar de direita que o acompanhou”, comenta Morozov.
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Com toda a riqueza do momento, o projecto não foi completamente esquecido, e permanece vivo no imaginário da esquerda. Como ilustra a toalha com grafismos da Cybersyn que se encontra à venda online, no site da cooperativa Boot Boyz Biz, numa clara homenagem ao projecto. E como nos conta: “Muita gente olha para o projeto Cybersyn e imagina uma série de coisas. E se calhar, simbolicamente serve uma função. Tal como a Guerra Civil Espanhola, ou a Comuna de Paris serviram para a anterior. Claro que não é um evento tão dramático e violento como a guerra civil mas, no entanto, para muita gente mais jovem, progressistas e de esquerda, serve de facto uma função simbólica.” Outra das motivações explícitas deste projecto passava não por contrariar essa dimensão simbólica mas dignificá-la, contextualizando os acontecimentos e facilitando o enquadramento político do sucedido. “Quando as mitologias se desconectam da realidade, podem facilmente ser atacadas pelos inimigos do projecto. Senti que havia cada vez mais um distanciamento entre a realidade do Cybersyn e o discurso mitológico sobre o projecto. E pensei que talvez devêssemos assentar o discurso mitológico em algo mais empírico, real, como entrevistas, histórias orais, trabalho de arquivo” — diz-nos."

https://shifter.pt/2023/08/cybersyn-allende-chile/

@alexprichard @anarchyalive And *now* I definitely have to go and read @edenmedina's wonderful book on Project #Cybersyn. https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262525961/cybernetic-revolutionaries/

@hydroponictrash
I really would be happy if we could drop the #cybersyn myth. The Cybersyn I see was a project of a technocratic cadre, struggling in a very tight decolonial corner up against the US, corporations (like ITT), very active CIA sabotage and a determined national fascism. It wasn't great, it was the best they could summon, as 70s' technocrats, bless them.
1of?

https://the-santiago-boys.com

"A wild tale of how #Allende's engineers and a British management consultant dared challenge corporations and spy agencies - and almost won"

A 9 X ~1 hr podcast with lots of archival audio and recent interviews. Listened to the first 2 and can already recommend.

#Chile #cybersyn #cybernetics #StaffordBeer

"Proyecto #Cybersyn, un plan futurista para una economía socialista moderna basado en una red de máquinas de télex que conectaban a las más de 80 fábricas de la corporación pública con una sala de operaciones en Santiago, la capital del país."
#Chile
https://www.eldiario.es/internacional/theguardian/santiago-boys-guru-ingles-allende-llevo-revolucion-tecnologica-chile_1_10413457.html

Evgeny Morozov ha lanzado un interesante proyecto para explicar #Cybersyn, un proyecto cibernético de planificación económica ideado en Chile y que se truncó con el Golpe de Estado del 11 de septiembre de 1973. https://elpais.com/ideas/2023-07-24/the-santiago-boys-historia-de-la-utopia-tecnologica-de-allende.html

Gracias a @lacion y a propósito del podcast de Evgeny Morozov “The Santiago Boys” , rescato esta conversación podcast que tuve con la historiadora Eden Medina que tejió la historia del proyecto #Synco o #cybersyn al presentar la edición en español de su libro “Cibernéticos Revolucionarios: Tecnologia y Política en el Chile de Salvador Allende” https://www.eldesconcierto.cl/podcast-videos/2017/08/01/podcast-revolucionarios-ciberneticos-tecnologia-y-politica.html

Habt ihr schon #TheSantiagoBoys gehört, ein Podcast über #Cybersyn von @evgenymorozov ?
Klingt vielversprechend, dem widme ich mich mal die nächsten Tage …

https://choramedia.com/podcast/the-santiago-boys/

#EvgenyMorozov #Podcast #SalvadorAllende #StaffordBeer #Cybersyn #Cybernetics

https://the-santiago-boys.com/episodes

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/reflections-book-beyond-dispute-stafford-beer-john-coghlan

"How can a workshop be self-recursive?

Would self-recursion give a workshop consciousness and identity?

Would these raise consensus and participation?

Could recursion play a role in group dialogue?

Could such constant patterns lead to greater group coherence?

Could the to-and-fro of support and criticism lead to better conclusions?"

#Cybernetics #StaffordBeer #Cybersyn

This is an interesting article on the nuts and bolts of how Project Cybersyn worked https://tech-in-japan.github.io/articles/409547/index.html

#Cybernetics #StaffordBeer #Cybersyn

Gran aprendizaje y goce viendo por primera vez una slam de poesía el viernes pasado en el Bastón del Moro, Córdoba, Argentina; y una hermosa ocasión para el set que tocamos por primera vez bajo el nombre de #Cybersyn junto a Int_Enzo en las visuales. #liveCoding #Hydra #SonicPi

Así jugando y perdiendo el tiempo con todo gusto se fue gestando esta nueva dupla audiovisual de livecoding. Casi sin querer nos pusimos nombre. Cybersyn, en clara alusión al proyecto cibernético estatal de la Unidad Popular chilena de principio de los 70. Este viernes tocaremos en vivo en Córdoba. Va el logo mientras. #Cybersyn #liveCoding #logo #sonicPi #Hydra