@thindil @thomasadam How exactly would that work? I mean, I *did* use #fvwm2 "inside" #KDE a long time ago, but scripted the ~/.xsession for that manually ...

So, if there's some .desktop file for #fvwm3 with "Type=XSession", would e.g. sddm offer me a session "Plasma+FVWM3" or something like that when plasma is installed as well? 🤔

Random question on the subject of #Linux window managers.

Is anyone out there still using #FVWM? And if so, how are you integrating "modern" needs (e.g. network config, battery monitoring)?

I have really fond memories of using #FVWM2 back in the day, before moving on to #Openbox.

In meiner Vorstellung schrieb ich ja, dass ich Linux nutze. Dabei habe ich eine gewisse Vorliebe für Konsolen-Programme wie z. B. #mutt. Oder einem altehrwürdigen Window Manager wie #fvwm2. Ich mag es, Programme via Textdatei zu konfigurieren. Derzeit ist mutt das Bastelobjekt meines Herzens – ein bewährtes Mail-Programm, das sich per Tastenkombinationen bedienen lässt.

Linux-PCs habe ich übrigens zwei: einen stromsparenden lüfterlosen Mini-PC für einfache Aufgaben und einen großen Desktop-PC, wenn ich mehr Rechenleistung benötige. Beide laufen unter #Kubuntu Linux. Der Mini-PC übernimmt auch ein paar Server-Aufgaben: ein Plex Media Server, ein dlna-Multimedia-Server, ein Calibre-EBook-Server, ein LanguageTool-Server.

@snowdusk I used to love #fvwm2 back then... glad to see it's still in use!

Have you ever considered to dare to try and run #plasma on this machine? It's much less ressource hungry these days than one would fear...

I idly attempted to move to #fvwm3 from my current #fvwm2 setup (with a somewhat old fvwm2 version), using the same configuration file, but things didn't go. All my colour settings seemed to drop out, among other visual oddities. Oh well, something for the future.

(My current setup works fine so my energy and motivation for switching is not high. I tried it now because of the libX11 issues; if it needs fvwm fixes, they'll likely only be made to fvwm3.)

Heads up #fvwm people: it appears that libX11 1.8.x and fvwm may not get along very well (and in Fedora 37, the combination appears to make the X server unhappy too). libX11 1.8 apparently has a number of internal changes to be more 'correct' (in accordance with API documentation) that may make clients unhappy, cf https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libx11/-/merge_requests/150

(found by @leah when I hit my libX11 1.8 problems in Fedora 37. I'm on #fvwm2 but maybe this applies to #fvwm3 too.)

@benjaminhollon @RL_Dane When I was using #FVWM2 (on FreeBSD) nearly all the time, I was navigating around the windows, pages & clicking on buttons, etc via the keyboard.

#fvwm #trivia!

for #fvwm1 (and for a time, #fvwm2), the man page used to have a BUGS section which listed the following:

As of fvwm 0.99 there were exactly 39.342 unidentified bugs. Identified bugs have mostly been fixed, though. Since then 9.34 bugs have been fixed.

Assuming that there are at least 10 unidentified bugs for every identified one, that leaves us with 39.342 - 9.32 + 10 * 9.34 = 123.402 unidentified bugs. If we follow this to its logical conclusion we will have an infinite number of unidentified bugs before the number of bugs can start to diminish, at which point the program will be bug-free.

Since this is a computer program infinity = 3.4028e+38 if you don't insist on double-precision. At the current rate of bug discovery we should expect to achieve this point in 3.37e+27 years

I guess I better plan on passing this thing on to my children....

The "I" here refers to Robert Nation, the original creator of #fvwm and #rxvt.

As it happens, I've not been able to reduce the number of bugs in #fvwm3 either, and I've no grandchildren...

Visiting my family, I found the CDROM of the first #Linux I ever installed, it was #Suse Linux 5.2 free on the cover of #PCPro. With a little help from #PCem I got it going again, 22 years later, it's still pretty usable :-o #fvwm2 #Netscape #xf86confighell

#fvwm2 war in den 90ern mein Standard-Desktop unter #Linux. Nach fvwm2 kam #KDE, und dabei bin ich bis heute geblieben. Aber ab und an ist es ganz witzig, zu den Anfängen zurückzukehren (inklusive der #XClock und den #XEyes). Dazu zählen dann auch Programme wie #mutt (E-Mails), #slrn (Newsgroups), #ircII (Internet Relay Chat, der Vorgänger von Mastodon, wenn man so will), #Seamonkey (um etwas #Netscape zu spielen).

So sieht mein Retro-Desktop übrigens gerade aus (der altehrwürdige #fvwm2 unter #Kubuntu 22.10, geöffnet ist ein #XTerm-Terminalfenster mit #toot terminal user interface)

Das hier ist ein Retro-Toot, geschrieben im #XTerm im Editor #nano
und versendet mit #toot (immer noch in XTerm). Das ganze passiert gerade
auf #fvwm2, also wirklich sehr Retro alles...

@macsnider Thanks! "Make it sticky"! Somewhat reminds me of the sticky posts app that I used under #fvwm2 - what was its name again?

Anyone remembers #fvwm2 windows manager for #linux.

Ahhh, memory lane stroll 😢