@Infrogmation @amoroso #Gnus of course.

#Emacs #Gnus #TIL

One mailing list article today forced me to find a way to skim through all the thread.

`A T` (`gnus-summary-refer-thread`) fetches all articles in the current thread.

`M-s M-s` (`gnus-summary-search-article-forward`) performs a regexp search forward.
Use `M-s M-r` for backward search.
The search is done once after hitting `RET`. To repeat it, use `M-S` (forward) or `M-R` (backward).

#RTFM
(info "(gnus) Finding the Parent")
(info "(gnus) Searching for Articles")

If I send an email from gnus via gmail not only does it put my public ip address in the headers, but my LAN address too, whereas if I use webmail my ip address is hidden. #privacy #gnus #emacs #gnu

:emacs: set up #GNUS with Gmail IMAP to comfortably read email in #emacs

interface is certainly something, but AFAIK it was the solution that involved the least set up, as everything else I looked at starting asking me to host several servers and consume all my mail differently, and yeah I'm not doing that.

The email I receive is not valuable, it is crap that may or may not be be actionable crap, and then after judging which, it is deleted.

Now I am confused.

I am trying to setup #gnus through #emacs on my MacBook, and I am using the same smtpmail config that works great on my #guix desktop, however when I send on MacBook I get "Sending failed: 554 5.7.1 relay access denied" error. I guess for whatever reason TLS authentication doesn't want to just work the same way. I'd imagine this issue has something due to with the build of emacs 30 that I am using, so I guess I'll try with 29 and see if that helps?

@thereeljon Essentially what they mean is sorting via an algorithm. Now, the interesting part is that chronological sort is also an algorithm, just a very simple one.

On Facebook, the criteria for sorting aren't within the control of the users, and so they find themselves manipulated against their will. That is why corporations are interested in doing so.

However, some programs for example #Gnus for #Usenet put the user fully in control of their own sorting (https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Scoring.html).

@thefranke @thedarktangent @round @WTL #Emacs #Elfeed and #Gnus

@MmeLibertine Sounds like prioritization sorting in MUAs (a feature even *old* programs like #Gnus have) would entirely defeat that tactic.

@publicvoit

Is anybody reading this who would be willing to participate starting/investigating a #gnus backend for mastodon (or, generally, activity pub)?

Also file under: #nntp, #usenet, #emacs.

Ich hab jahrelang in #Brandenburg gelebt.
Da gab es alles: #Giraffen, #Gnus, #Elefanten, aber keine #Löwen.

Jetzt plötzlich, #Löwen, das ist der #Klimawandel. ☝️

@misnina @julian I think it depends on how much control users retain over the sorting & ranking.

If it's like #Gnus where the user is fully in control? I doubt it'd cause problems.

If it's anything like the corposcum platforms though, yeah that'd be awful.

#postfix and #smtp apparently does not want to work with my signed tls certificate so my work for setting up email with #gnus on macos has been all for nothing (for now), back to the drawing board to find a way that wants to work!

#Emacs
Interesting approach to "reading and searching #gmane with #gnus, fast"

[Using #leafnode]

https://jao.io/blog/reading-and-searching-gmane-with-gnus-fast.html

@april @notjustbikes And of course, Bluesky's still isn't to my liking, it grants less control over sorting than #Gnus does for #Usenet.

Modern software is often a disappointment.

The user should be in control. Anything else is just a sad joke.

#emacs #usenet #gnus is there an open server i can set up to get started with gnus? i have never accessed usenet before, but thought to take a look

@jaco currently, #Gnus in #Emacs and #SeaMonkey Mail&News.

I just recently discovered #emacs #Gnus `gnus-summary-next-unread-article`, default to `N` and hops from the end of one mail group (like my webdev email) to the next unread in any other group. Great addition to my #email workflow!

I finally got an email setup in #gnus that I am happy with. #emacs for the win!

#Emacs #Rmail (#mail reader) got an update upstream.
Namely, Eli Zaretskii commited "New Rmail commands for reading mailing-lists".

See it here:
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=71622d70e8bd0f4289df098a8d9b3ab06f4bdcc0

I use Rmail purely as an email client and read mailing lists in #Gnus now, but that's an interesting addition to take a look at.

What if ESR isn't really into guns, it's just that one time he made a typo when writing "gnus" and for the last 30 years has been too proud to admit his mistake? #gnus #emacs