Setting aside the nearly religious preferences I know exist; what is the practical difference between #GNU #Linux and #Unix #BSD?

I started with Mandrake in 2001 and lost count of which and how many systems distros I’ve used since then. But the stand outs for me have been #Mandrake, #Fedora, #Suse, #OpenDarwin, and #GNUStep. While there were differences between the systems in terms of hardware and software support I have never grokked what differentiates BSD and GNU.

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One of the greatest visionaries for #GNUstep design, Bertrand Dekoninck, sadly passed away.

To you see what I mean look at one of his last works: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/gnustep/plugins-themes-sombre/master/Screenshot.png

https://github.com/gnustep/plugins-themes-sombre

@alecui On the desktop side, there is #os108, which basically is #netbsd pre-configured with #xfce. This seems a nice idea, and one of the reasons I think a modernized #gnustep with netbsd would also be a nice combo and maybe for a complete and pure X focused desktop / application toolkit environment. In general, I mostly do telephony related daemons, and for that porting between bsd and linux is not very hard.

Looks interesting: https://onflapp.github.io/gs-desktop/index.html (via https://www.osnews.com/story/136326/a-new-gnustep-desktop-comes-to-debian/) #gnustep #openstep #nextstep

I still want an Amiga 2.04 UI on a modern OS but I suspect I'd hate it now...

@bugaevc @phranck @helge @ivan @nongio One more (ex) GNUstepper: @ngrewe 😉 #gnustep

@ lazarus I wish #GNUStep released a universal installer as Gnome and XFCE did back in the day. Fire, everything get installed into ~/GNUstep, you set ~/.xinitrc accordingly to run the daemons and it's done.
Specially if I could install all the companion software and the dev environments.
There's a script from Gregory Casamento, but bound to Ubuntu based distros. It would work perfectly on Trisquel 11, but not under #Hyperbola #GNU/Linux.

@ademalsasa @probono @gugurumbe Well, #ravynOS is an idea. I doubt there is any chance to create a working OS with such little manpower. Non the less #macOS and #GNUstep are completely #ObjC based. The main frameworks are not a feature that could be merged in on a later point. Many of the features of #MacOSX and #iOS were possible only due to the dynamic nature of #ObjC (and #Swift nowadays).

@gugurumbe It was the best idea for a free (libre) desktop environment. But it was ahead of his time (and maybe not done that well at its time), which is why people wrote #GNOME and that took over and #GNUstep got stuck. #GUI never reached a mature state, #Foundation is quite nice, but installs desktop stuff with its setup. The only stable runtime is #GNU, #libobjc2 has not got much support by the very little community.

Conclusion: Use @ObjFW and maybe #ObjGTK one day. 😉

What do you think of gnustep?

#gnustep #gui #objc #objectivec

@izaya @a1ba The old #NeXTSTEP / #WindowMaker / #GNUstep styled menus are simply good at what they do.

Which is what I think they inspired themselves from.

#GNUstep is unsurprisingly not in a very good shape. :(

I should have known that trying to run GWorkspace (#GNUStep Workspace) from within #i3wm was a BAAAAAD idea, lol

@jbzfn @ActionRetro #gnustep is a modern decedent in a sense, at least in that you can run it on modern and generic hardware.

@mos_8502 Thank you for your post! I really like #GNUstep and its concepts. The biggest challenge I see regarding you idea is the current state of GNUstep. It barely is the thin application layer #OpenStep / Yellow / Blue Box was meant to be, which later became Cocoa. Fixing it to work like intended already is a huge task. Making a desktop environment out of it (projects like #Nextspace or #GWorkspace try) are even bigger ones.

Finally managed to get the full #GNUstep environment + #windowmaker running on my #openbsd Thinkpad R60. So far (after a bit of a tricky installation) everything runs great!

@amyipdev @mos_8502 I've once created #Arch packages to build #GNUstep with clang on #SuSEOBS. But these days I use neither #GNUstep nor #Arch anymore.
https://codeberg.org/Objective-C-Archive/gnustep-ngr-packaging

@mos_8502 @drwho
It's always been mysterious to me why there aren't more applications for #GNUstep . There must be lots of developers familiar with Objective-C, and AIUI porting from MacOS shouldn't be too hard.

TextEdit – a document authoring program which allows you to https://archiveapp.org/textedit/ #texteditor #osx #gnustep

So, these screenshots show a #RaspberryPi running #GNUstep #GWorkspace with #GNUMail.app and #PikoPixel.app. They were shown and used using an iPad and I found those screenshots there again. Both apps are examples of the greatest portable GUI #ObjC apps out there.