@fraying very good reason to delete your Instagram account! #JoinPixelfed 😋

@atomicpoet @mastodonmigration as promised, i looked up info abt active users:
discord - 140 mln/month
matrix - 64 mln active users
signal - in 2021 it had 40 mln users, and considering that e2ee have grown in popularity since, we can easily assume that its even bigger number now

thats the popular alternatives for xmpp that i know of/or remember at the moment*. so, is xmpp (fediverse part of the protocol, ofc) dead? well, i wouldnt said that anymore. til.

* i didnt include some apps, like whatsapp or fb messenger, cuz their monthly active users are counted in bilions

abt the 2nd part of the toot - i don't really give a shit if facebook use activitypub - its open protocol and as long as they respect it (which i doubt) then its fine, the problem is that meta wants to federate with the rest of fediverse, cuz that creates several problems:

1. PRIVACY. facebook is literally one of the biggest privacy enemy, u cant even post #joinPixelfed tag there.

their "Data linked to you" sounds like taken from dystopian future (look: https://sakurajima.moe/@chikorita157/110652612561255604)

do u seriously believe that the same facebook that caused several genocides due to *lack of moderation* in maany countries, the same fb that do not have a problem with tracking your activity on your browser/phone will respect activitypub or privacy of users of federated instances?

i doubt that that app will even have decent moderation, like in instagram or facebook.

i, and many ppl did not fled to fedi, cuz we were missing trackers or lack of privacy.

will prolly add some things later if smth will came to my mind

@ophiocephalic

@padeluun

#joinpixelfed #defederatemeta #fediblockmeta #fedipact #meta #P92 #threads

No, Mark Zuckerberg won't meet you in the lobby Chris Trottier.

Recently one of the fediverse's most ardent proponents of collaboration with Meta produced a long thread in which he details his argument for embracing the P92 gambit with open arms. This post is a response.

If you're wondering why he is not tagged or addressed directly in his thread, that's because Chris is want to block anyone who offers up even the most polite of substantive counterpoints. We'll just toodle along over here thanks. The intent is not actually to debate him, but to provide food for thought to those who might have been persuaded by his relentless advocacy to federate.

The original thread is here: https://atomicpoet.org/notice/AX9zOBSSW6gg06h9t2

Trottier seems to believe that ActivityPub possesses extraordinary powers: "ActivityPub means that whatever of Meta’s userbase that’s exposed to federation will diversify into other platforms […] This diversification reduces the dependence of users on a single platform, giving them more choices and potentially drawing them away from Meta."

But he never acknowledges that Meta platforms comprise an algorithmically-governed censorship regime which repress information of many kinds - for example, the #joinpixelfed hashtag, which was banned on Instagram along with the Pixelfed account itself. Why would this entity allow pied pipers of the fediverse to frolic freely on P92 and evangelize escape from its enclosure?

For that matter, why does he think that would work at all? The userbase of Instagram will be prompted to join Threads. That means something of the existing network effect of that longstanding service will be transplanted in; and rest assured, there will be no account migration functionality provided.

In fact, the number of teen-dream travel-snap influencers who will, upon exposure to a single post by Chris Trottier on the magic of W3C protocol development, leap to wrench themselves away from the highly addictive and even financially-incentivized dependency on their established social graph and plunge themselves into the X11-Wayland religious war waged among the beloved catgirls of the fediverse is statistically very close to zero.

There is also an unsettling absence of agency in Chris's characterization of the lost souls of Meta, as if they're just sheep waiting for the good shepherds of decentralization to lead them to greener pastures. Instagram account holders are free to sign up for a fediverse account right now, and many have already done so - and by the way, the reverse flow is also quite possible for anyone here who wishes to connect to friends and family on Meta networks.

To open this "revelatory" "Pandora's Box" (his words) of the ActivityPub Rapture, Trottier proposes, with great bloviation, something called "lobby servers". As he describes: "Lobby servers can bridge communities. They act as intermediaries that connect different social media platforms, including Meta-owned ones, with non-Meta platforms. […] By federating with Meta, lobby servers can pull content from Meta’s network and redistribute it to other federated platforms. This syndication allows users on non-Meta platforms to access and engage with Meta users’ content, thereby exposing them to different perspectives and encouraging cross-platform interactions…"

The flowery language continues on, but he is not actually proposing some novel new technical development. There is nothing described which is not already part and parcel of ActivityPub federation. The "lobby server" is simply a rebrand of "an instance federating with Meta".

This Hotel California doublespeak is indicative of the most problematic aspects of the communications of pro-Meta luminaries. In a ploy more typical of the contemporary reactionary right, the values and intentions of the opposing fediverse opinions on Meta are inverted. Trottier's post begins: "Federation with Meta actually hurts Meta."

He continues, referencing the FediPact community: "… it’s not everyone’s objective to fight Meta, and there should be spaces where fighting Meta isn’t top of mind. Not everyone wants to be part and parcel of a fight, and that’s okay." So, in this new upside-down reality, the anticapitalists trying to save at least part of the fediverse from colonization by one of the most destructive corporations in the world "don't want to fight Meta"; the true revolutionaries are those eager to collaborate with that corporation.

The Orwellian trolling degenerates from there. He claims that turning away from P92 - a single vertical silo which may comprise tens or even hundreds of millions of users - will paradoxically harm decentralization, because all those little servers federated with each other somehow result in "fragmentation" instead. And the anarchists and marginalized communities in the FediPact? They're actually pro-police authoritarians! "To enforce total defederation will require whitelisting, and policing of that whitelist." The term "whitelist" is repeated over and over in this paragraph, which is a subtle dig in the direction of a general and very nasty propensity among pro-Zuck advocates to associate the FediPact with the "HOA" and the *absence* of diversity.

On the whole, the most visible proponents for Meta collaboration have been big-instance admins who have done neither themselves or their cause any good over the last couple of weeks. Chris Trottier is something of an exception. We have repeatedly noted people explaining that they were on the fence over the Meta issue, until convinced by Trottier's arguments. He may fancy himself as fighting Meta, but by relentlessly arguing in favor of federating with them, he is actually serving as their most useful and effective asset in the fediverse.

#DefederateMeta #FediblockMeta #FediPact #Meta #P92 #Threads

It's amazing that some are claiming a Zuckerberg takeover is an opportunity to advocate for migration. The Zuckerbros imagine themselves frolicking freely as pied pipers of the fediverse, on a network controlled by the same company that banned the #joinpixelfed hashtag from Instagram.

The censorship algorithms will put a quick stop to any of that talk. And there may be no indication that it's happening from the perspective of Mastodon instances, leaving them to toot into the void unknowingly. How can they be so naive?

More on Facebook's relentless censorship:
https://glasstire.com/2018/12/15/facebook-and-the-art-of-censorship/

#DefederateMeta #FediblockMeta #Meta

@dansup
Actually I just was able to see #joinpixelfed on Instagram. I added it to a picture of my dog. We'll see what happens.

@misc @edendestroyer @tchambers @jdp23 @fancysandwiches Meta is censoring the #joinpixelfed tag on Instagram. They helped kill #XMPP with a bait-and-switch by pretending adoption and then pulling out as soon as it was practical for them. Exactly what other “potential bad actions” and red lines are you waiting for? Do you expect them to come out explicitly telling you «oh yeah we'll kill AP as soon as we're done using it to kill Twitter and BlueSky, and all we'll need to do is just defederate».

@tchambers @fancysandwiches we're taking about the company that censors the #joinPixelfed tag on Instagram, the company that “played nice” with #XMPP only to pull the plug to sink it. We already know they do not want the Fediverse to succeed. There is literally no reason to “trust” them in any way, and we can expect them to pull the same shit with ActivityPub as soon as convenient for them, and we have NO TOOL IN OUR TOOLBOX to prevent that from happening.

Remember when #kbin got a ton of attention because #reddit blocked their subreddit?
Well, #instagram now blocks the #joinPixelfed tag to stop #Pixelfed from gaining tracktion.

https://mastodon.social/@dansup/110544626629336717

@dansup You can currently search #joinPixelfed on Instagram and find some hits, but it is a suspiciously low number. It says "fewer than 100" and displays a lot fewer than that. So, perhaps partial blocking?

@dansup the Instagram tag still shows up for me. Not many posts for #joinpixelfed, but 1,000+ posts for #pixelfed.
I see that "something went wrong" screen if I'm not logged in. I bet this randomly started because of Instagram's recent effort to make all content gated behind account login.

I'm sure you can see now why I am less than thrilled about the enthusiasm with which people are looking at #Facebook “joining” the #Fediverse with their #ActivityPub-compatible #Twitter clone, despite there being literally NO INDICATIONS that their attitude today is any different from the one at the time of #XMPP —and if anything, the opposite, as we've seen with #Instagram blocking the #joinPixelfed tag.

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I wonder if it would be appropriate to use the term #tankie to refer to people on the #Fediverse that are over the moon with delight at the idea of Meta (the company that blocks the #joinPixelfed tag on #Instagram) “joining” the Fediverse with their own Mastodon competitor.

The only measure in which this news can be viewed positively is that the decision confirms the #Fediverse as a threat to the social silos. Let's keep it this way. Do not trust #Facebook. Do not forget that just last week #Instagram tried to block the #joinPixelfed tag <https://mastodon.social/@pixelfed/110338112401101688>, lest people became aware of the existence of the world outside, a world that still has the appeal of early-days IG, and not subject to the threat of enshittification.

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Estoy en @Perugorria (en PixelFed.social, aunque hay más instancias, como aquí) y si usáis un cliente como @PixelDroid o usáis la interfaz web tanto en móvil como en el ordenador vais a disfrutar de una excelente red 😊.

Además al estar en el Fediverso por ejemplo podéis compartir las fotos también aquí. Y se permite compartir fotos de otras cuentas de fotos.

#JoinPixelFed

#JoinPixelfed could do with some updates to help find instances:
- Sorting
- Filtering
- A useful description of the instance

Current:
https://fedidb.org/software/pixelfed

Something similar to joinmastodon.org

#pixelfed