@ren_dc

I beleive they'll do more than try - part the reason #starmer is so shy about policy on #EU & traditional #left causes is the burning urgency to clean up #politics - now terribly soiled by the entire post-2016 era, by #bigDog in particular - we cannot rely on a #decentChaps assumption when the #kipperTories are so obviously a nasty, dirty bunch of #populists appealing to the worst instincts at the more debased end of the electorate
#integrity
#FoI #lordsReplacement #toriesOut #labour

@rupdecat @sadgrove @UKLabour @guyverhofstadt

And that poison ( #populism ) will only be removed by a massive defeat of the #kipperTories & rejection of simplistic nonsense like that espoused by #truss #johnson and #sunak

Adopting a #simplistic opposition to them will merely involve an opposing #populism - there are no easy answers & people should stop grasping for them..... we in the #uk will be on a long hard road back to sanity for a while yet

@moh_kohn @scuba_nut53

When your ship of state is sinking, maybe desist from knocking another massive hole in the hull - but get baling instead?

Who on earth voted for these numbskull #kipperTories ?

@scuba_nut53 @moh_kohn

Not really - the fat clown got a majority of over 70 - that was the electorate, misled by some dark forces on the #populistRight end of the spectrum, who did that

The opposition parties did not help by being badly led ( #labour ) and badly advised ( #libDem ) but once that 2019 election was done there was no way to stop the #kipperTories implementins a boneheaded #rightWing version of #brexit

@KCNewForest

Maybe 7305 days left to go......at least

We will not be back in the #EU for at least 20 years - if ever.

Unfortunate fact - the #kipperTories broke our country - rehab will take a long time

@ImIncorrigible

There is one helluva lot resting on the one word "if".........

I do not see any way out for the #kipperTories now..... it is #labour 's to lose

@mwarhurst

The entire pont about #iconoclasts like the #kipperTories is they think smashing stuff up is a positive - of course they have no intention of taking any trouble over building replacements - may our gods spare us from #mediocre #arrogant #publicSchool product in the near future

@OurFlagUK @LibDemCampaigner @chrisgerhard @rossbright

I largely agree with the sentiment - but for the avoidance of doubt #libDems are not my party (nor is any other), nor have I voted for them in some decades

Rather than opining on the relative merits of different centre-left parties, I would prefer to focus on #GTTO and rid the country of the terrible #kipperTories

@happy

I never was on that site - always looked toxic. It will not aways be as civilised here - given current owner is trashing that site there may be an influx of those not entirely satiated by talking to fellow consumers of #gbNews - so lets make the most of it.

Most important of all - argue & act for the eviction of the #kipperTories from power

I've many reservations about all parties, but will work to help elect non-Tories in my area #nextGE

@chrisgerhard @rossbright

? really? I cannot see a #toriesOut resurgence even as #brexit sinks the economy - it will take far more than #5yrs for the #kipperTories to accept the error of their ways - if they ever do.

So who takes over from this #oneTerm #labour govt?

The last #oneTermGovt left power in 1974 (Ted Heath) and the last #labour one in .... 1923 at the end of their first ever (minority) spell in govt (Attlee actually won in 1950 with a majority of just 5 but then lost in 1951)

@degsy @jaydax

Sorry - I don't accept England is a liberal country where left of centre is usually the median position.

#Scotland is left of centre. So is #Wales. But England is full of nostalgia for a golden age that never happened, & millions blame others for that not being the case now

I would wish for the same end point (#PR, mostly #leftOfCentre coalitions) but can neither see the route nor the destination as acheivable.

Meantime lets get rid of the malign #kipperTories ASAP

This article references a "Businessman and former Tory councillor" as a convert to Reform, the nativist party

I am fairly confident more than enough former #labour voters will return to the fold to end the #cameronToryEra - thank your gods.....

There will never be enough brits bigotted enough to vote extremist parties into power - all #reform does is ensure the #kipperTories lose power

@Lazarou

Nice language!

I like it that the #farLeft reserve their #vitriol for the only #politicalLeader capable of ridding us of the #kipperTories

@Chadbourn

You might be right - frankly, who cares? All I want is the #kipperTories gone and for someone to start undoing the damage they have inflicted. #Starmer is the only game in town for that - I think he is playing a long game because the harm #brexit inflicted simply cannot be addressed in one parliament - it will take several.

But I am not sure #rejoin is the answer anyway - it will be a long hard road to get there - I doubt it will happen within this decade

@OliverNoble @fencoul

I disagree - his project is to win power and stop the #kipperTories inflincting yet more damage on ordinary people.

There are parties to the left of #labour. They just never get elected. That is not because they are unlucky, it is because the #UK electorate do not like what they offer.

@Chadbourn

Or maybe his political judgement has been deployed? I am not sure what people posting similar messages expect... the #libDems were pretty much dismissed in 2019 for promising to reverse Brexit, and whilst like you I regard #brexit as an historic error and an act of self-harm, I do not think #labour benefit electorally if they can be painted as the #reverseBrexit party by the #kipperTories

@andrewmarkbaker @thanetric @KeirStarmer

fair point - I guess after 4 lost elections I tend to err on the side of not frightening the horses - I suspect I am not alone

It would help if #starmer & co clearly communicated their focus (if not, prior to a #manifesto, actual policies) & how it takes us forward where the #kipperTories cannot. I think #regionalDevolution needs to be expanded on & contrasted with #sunaks #robberBaron #freeports

@WalterMenteth

Try here
https://socialistworker.co.uk/join-swp/

I mean it - if your preference is for some purist #cult on the Left that will never come close to saving a deposit, the #SWP is your home

Meanwhile, #Labour has led every single poll for the last year - currently 20% ahead of the #kipperTories

@jmo @WillVoitus

need a #newUkGovt for that - the #kipperTories are burnt out.

Not much #positive will happen till then - and I am hopeful that the #tories are so #endOfEra that #braverman and the other less pleasant #cabinet members get little accomplished at all

@Chillax

to maintain a #labourLead over the #ToriesOut, all #starmer must do is promise to do better than the #kipperTories in sorting out their mess

after 4 successive #generalElection defeats, being cautious is inevitable

Remember #kinnock in 1992!