@eolach actually, no.
Unless you believe that tankies are left and not red painted facists.
In that case, please pull that horseshoe out of your head.

And yes, #Kiwifarms Users are #hategrooming each other into acts beyond-#StochasticTerrorism.

@eolach grooming people into hate...

*points at the #InternetHateMachine that is #KiwiFarms that sucks in "edgy" assholes and spits out facist POSes*

Apparently #KiwiFarms users can't afford drugs so they smoke tinfoil I guess?
https://roysbeer.place/objects/b7d22f69-17a7-4068-9a3e-449ae31cd1b5

But hey, what do we expect from a bunch of cowards??

May they all face the #ForeseeableConsequences and #Accountability...

I'm just not gonna waste my fime with that filth!

#thxbye #next

@offby1 because cops and judges won't do jack shite...
https://social.pixie.town/@joepie91/110981026971885262

And it's not as if this is a "#NullaPeneSineLege" kind of situation.

gandi.net literally fired #KiwiFarms for hosting #CSAM!

@joepie91 so yeah people defending.#KiwiFarms of all the places are completely lost IMHO and should reevaluate their position, cuz either they are a KiwiFarms user or haven't been targeted by them or naively believe bootlicking them will help them.

Far bigger orgs (i.e. #CloudFlare, gandi.net) yeeted them.

Also there is no right to get IP-transit or peering and that is a good thing!

@joepie91
Because #ISP|s have to #DROP shit all the time or else their core networks would be abused to the point they'd be disconnected as well like #A2Binternet was for being the #Upstream of the notorious #CyberBunker.
"Let courts and cops handle this" didn't work against #NorthKorea or the #RBN, so why should it work on #KiwiFarms?
The only thing that works is #NameThemBlameThem and #boycott, #divest & #sanction everyone suppling KiwiFarms!

@olives @KelsonV @eff you don't get it, do you?

1. #HurricaneElectric isn'a a Tier-1 and even if they were, there is no legal mandate for them to accept anything or provide services to anyone.
Espechally since there's no legally enforceable #NetNeutrality :loading: nor are they regulated as a "utility service" with "must provide" clauses.

2. Providers are already very twitchy and they'll block entire ASNs if they get listed by #Spamhaus.

3. #KiwiFarms is indefensible thus invalid discussion.

@olives @KelsonV @eff nah...

People who defend the hategrooming scum of #KiwiFarms are just bad.

Regardless if #EFF, #CloudFlare and whoever else is hosting or providing services to said shitsite.

I'm not going to reiterate shit - look it up yourself...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

And then tell me your position...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110987470524664901

OFC everyone who facilitates services for #KiwiFarms is equally guilty and should also be blocked - regardless if registrars, hosters, colocators or transit providers.

And yes, if you provide #hategrooming forums like #KiwiFarms with #transit or #DDoS protection, you are part of the problem when you act like #RogueISP's and refuse to react upon complaints.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYkFYmqJYvE

Everyone who defends or apoligizes #KiwiFarms deserves to get blocked on sight.

If you think it's a "hill worth dying on" then get your facts straight:

KiwiFarms is literally the acid-filled openpit mine of hate and solely being used by people who get banned from 4chan, 8kun, MumsNet and other shitsites.

They are indefensible and irredeemable #Hategroomers and #StochasticTerrorists with a real bodycount.

The one thing KFs deserve is to conditionlessly surrender!

@KelsonV well, either @eff didn't put any effort in it or it pretty much flew under the radar of everyone I know...

Needless to say #KiwiFarms is the last thing they should defend, and even if they did actually get their asses up regarding #cyberfacism in the past, allying with #Hategroomers and #StochasticTerrorists that have a literal bodycount of 3 confirmed and a dozen unconfirmed does undo everything they did well in the past...

@jplebreton The #EFF CHOSE to defend an indefensible #hategrooming and beyond - #StochasticTerrorism #forum that is known to literally host #CSAM.

That's not an accident or a lack of due diligence, that was a concious decision by them!

#KiwiFarms is indefensible and anyone who does so should reevaluate their positions and privilegues...

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110986050516050239

@lispi314 @JessTheUnstill

What do you expect from Joshua "Null" Moon??

He's a tech-illiterate POS and too stupid to setup an OnionService...

Also it's not as if he and his fake company didn't amass a huge paper trail.

The hate #KiwiFarms gets is deserved and an act of self- and mutual defense.

He should be glad he's still breathing, cuz a lot of his victims have nothing but revenge to live for...

I've read the post from the #EFF that seems to have a whole bunch of people claiming that the EFF is protecting #KiwiFarms and... I'm not sure if the angry folks have actually read the same article I did?

The EFF pretty clearly condemns KF, first, *and* they are making an argument about legal precedent here.

I live in the USA, and lemme tell you, I can easily see this precedent being abused to harm women, BIPOC, and LGBTQ+ folks.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it

@maddiefuzz
And yes, I do #DenyList anyone who hosts or facilitates services to #KiwiFarms for all the right reasons.

They should not exist since they're know to host #CSAM and have been fired in the past several times by hosters and registrars for doing so.

So @eff allying with #Hategrooming and beyond - #StochasticTerrorists and defending a CSAM-hosting site makes them complicit in it.

It's not as if they didn't knew.
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/drop.ipv4.block.list.tsv
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/drop.ipv6.block.list.tsv
https://github.com/greyhat-academy/lists.d/blob/main/drop.asn.block.list.tsv

@maddiefuzz That's not the case - they ain't a Tier-1 and the Internet never was a dumb pipe.

If you believe that then you ignore the amount of filtering that is necessary for any ISP or IX not to get overwhelmed by #DDoS traffic and malicious actors.

#FreeSpeech does not mean #ConsequenceFreeSpeech...

There is no "Right to Peer" or "Right to Upstream" for very good reasons.

Also @eff choosing to defend #KiwiFarms instead of anything worth defending sends a clear message to everyone else!

Apparently the #EFF has chosen an open pit mine for hate as their "hill to die on"...
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/isps-should-not-police-online-speech-no-matter-how-awful-it

Because there is no valid reason to ever defend #KiwiFarms and #HurricaneElectric has the right to #DROP [#DontRouteOrPeer) traffic to them for all the valid reasons...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms

@JessTheUnstill +9001%

It"s not enough to #DropKiwifarms and that means #DontRouteOePeer (#DROP) their entire #ASN, but to force them into conditionless surrender.

If someone wants to die on that hill, that's their decision!

#KiwiFarms is abdolutely indefensible - period!

Are there more *technical* details available about the Hurricane Electric situation regarding #kiwifarms
I see some understandable reactions to the #EFF post, and I'd like to have a full picture before jumping into any debate on the matter.