@scaramanga
Worth remembering that the #Labourleaders who fail to win a #GeneralElection from opposition tend not to stay for long afterwards. Exceptions were Gaitskell in 1959 and Kinnock in 1987 - and the borderline case of Corbyn in 2017. By contrast Attlee in 1955, Foot in 1983, Kinnock in 1992, Miliband in 2015 and Corbyn in 2019 went almost immediately. Furthermore it tends not only be the leader but the team round them that changes. So there may not be a choice between the two losses!

@potatogunkelly @OliverNoble @labour

Well then there is no coalition, #starmer has a reason to demand an early second election & get that majority which he either will (most likely) or lose to the Tories.

You can squint to look for scenarios that suit you - but I really think there is no way to get #electoralReform except by convincing #labourLeaders and I see no evidence this is happening

@potatogunkelly @OliverNoble @labour

Incidentally those thinking coalition results in more progressive change than an overall majority aren't reviewing evidence from the Coalition - which is rather the opposite. In many areas a #labour majority will empower progressive change more effectively - I cannot see #libDems doing any better than last time on #electoralReform unless #labourLeaders at cabinet level are on the same side

It would be great to be rid of #FPTP - I just can't see the route

@potatogunkelly

I think the #toryPress would spit rancid BS to stop a #labour victory by any means necessary if a change in voting system were in the #manifesto

Do not underestimate the viciousness of cornered rats

A strong first term would lay the groundwork for a later manifesto commitment - but you must convince #labourLeaders - at cabinet level - or you will get nowhere