@timbray ⬆️ Kind of suggests that we don’t need a quote-boost function, but a #QuoteReply.

@paul It’s striking that you can currently quote tweets on Mastodon more effectively than you can quote toots! That said, I think we should be sensitive to people’s concerns around this and open to new and better approaches instead of copying Twitter.

For that reason I’d be in favour of a boost-and-reply (aka #QuoteReply) function in place of QTs as described here: https://fediphilosophy.org/@keithwilson/109456249890156614

@uliwitness @paul @film_girl Here’s a proposal for a #QuoteReply (or Boost-and-Reply) function: https://fediphilosophy.org/@keithwilson/109456249890156614.

This avoids some of the worst aspects of QTs while remaining compatible with the existing Mastodon API since you can already boost a reply along with the original toot. All that’s needed from clients is to display both together in the timeline (which @elk already does) and a way to boost-and-reply to a toot as a single action; e.g. via a long press on the ‘boost’ button. Bingo!

@Gargron What about making them a #QuoteReply (roughly equivalent to a repost with additional reply text)? This avoids the problem of splitting the conversation, instead encouraging interaction with the original poster. See here for proposal and discussion: https://fediphilosophy.org/@keithwilson/109456249890156614

@keithwilson @thilo @elk it is normal that a poster writes a very thoughtful reply and boosts it. Or others find it interesting and boost it, even if they are deep in a thread. As you said, quote replies should avoid the abuse-related issues of regular quote posting so it feels arbitrary to limit it only to top posts.
About the place for the action, maybe it could be another action under the three dots in a post? We could also have keyboard shortcuts or combos like alt+click on the boost button to #QuoteReply. I don't like that much the UI of Twitter in which you get asked if you want to Quote or Boost every time you click the button. Even if Quote Replies work well, I think we should still incentivize boosting over them, no?

@patak @thilo @elk I take your point about hostility to QTs, but though the intention is similar I think the #QuoteReply concept mitigates most of the negative aspects of QTs, so I’m inclined to think the worry is misplaced. Perhaps it could be controlled via a preferences option for those who really don’t want to use it.

@patak @thilo @elk Logically, I see #QuoteReply as an extension of the boost function, i.e. a boost-with-reply. So it makes sense to add it to boost rather than reply. I also think it’s good to provide an option to boost unlisted or to followers only, which could share the same option. In this case you could just set the visibility and post without adding any reply text.

@keithwilson @thilo @elk I think we should add it, but the UI is a bit tricky. The best place to me is in the inline reply editor. We could change "Publish!" to "Reply" and add a #QuoteReply button next to it that is a single boost icon. Or maybe hide it under a drop down of extra actions. We don't have that much space.

@thilo @elk My first impressions are extremely positive. Could #Elk be the first #Mastodon client to implement a #QuoteReply? All that’s left is to be able to create this combination of a boost and boosted reply as a single user action!

@peter has anybody written about dunk culture? I think it's interesting, with pros and cons and probably an ethical taxonomy that can be developed around when it's appropriate or warranted. #Dunkculture #dunking #qt #quotetweet #quotetooting #quoteReply #quotetoot

@WAHa_06x36 #QuoteReply ftw! An alternative proposal: https://fediphilosophy.org/@keithwilson/109456249890156614

@katzentratschen @apps @youronlyone @TodePond @rompe @elk Funnily enough, I started off calling this a #BoostReply. But after discussion with @scottjenson I think #QuoteReply has a better ring to it, and builds on familiarity with #QuoteToot/#QuoteTweet while avoiding its worst features.

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Läuft eigentlich noch die #CW oder #QuoteReply Debatte?

@selfawarepatterns @taylorlorenz See my proposal for a #QuoteReply feature here: https://fediphilosophy.org/@keithwilson/109456249890156614

#QuoteBoost #QuotePost #QuoteReply

I don't think this feature would provide a lot of quality to the community.

You can also just link the context to your story. It's not that hard.

Things are different here and it's good like this.

You also don't need to use Mastodon. You can use other instances types like Akkoma.

I've seen various implementations of this feature by parsing toot links or just straight copying the quoted toot and none of these seemed to be a good pick.

@wenzel Diaspora* doesn't have a native quote-reply functionality, but that's been implemented via a browser extension.

There's also the possibility of instances utilising code that would supply that feature. This means that:

• Quote-reply would be an instance-specific capability.
• Instances which didn't like the functionality, or which determined that it was being abused, could block those instances supporting it.

There are other features which have been implemented differently in different Mastodon software. E.g., GlitchSoc, which toot.cat (my instance) uses has Markdown formatting, which means I can format my toots (as this one is), though you'd need a compatible instance to view that on (or you can view this toot on toot.cat itself: https://toot.cat/@dredmorbius/109565596754713416). Others, such as Mathstodon include equation markup for maths usage.

Spitballing / thinking out loud here.

#MastoDev #QuoteReply

@anildash @jab01701mid @taylorlorenz

@MattHodges
Instead of copying QuoteTweet, would it make sense to implement #QuoteBoost or #QuoteReply ? Either should be treated as a reply and included in the normal reply flow associated with the post that was quoted.

Given that we only get 500 characters (by default), it would be nice if quoted text was "free" and didn't count against the character limit...

@dynamicsymmetry There's also the fact that while there's isn't an 'algorithm' per se, boosts really are first class in a way that toots with links aren't, and they feed the 'trending' graph on your instance.

In my dream future, there's a boost feature that allows the booster to add CW. I'm sure that hasn't been added because of the (valid) concern that people would just use the CW field as a quote-toot, but damn it, this is a real usability problem.

At some point humans just need to accept that our best bet is socially engineer away dunks, not technologically engineer them, and this place is the best place to do that.

#quotereply #qrt #cw #usability

@scottjenson @hiitslissy @dolson I do think we’ve made progress. A lot of the negative aspects of QTs can be removed with some relatively simple changes that keep the original poster in the loop.

The key issue is how to prevent abuse, and what tools to give admins and users to shut down toxic QRs. Again there are options, so some testing is needed to figure out exactly what combination of measures is required. But overall I think we’re onto something. 😊 #QuoteReply

For the newbies missing quote-reply: the lack of such a function is in fact a deliberate design feature of Mastodon.

#Newbies #MastoTips #QuoteReply