I realize that there are reasons that Mastodon doesn't allow #QuoteTooting the way that Twitter has #QuoteTweeting.

That said, even after 9 months of using Mastodon almost exclusively, I still catch myself trying to quote toot something only to remember that (essentially) I can't.

#MastodonThoughts

When people ask for the ability to quote posts _and_ the ability to edit posts, I think it shows their brains have been broken by using Twitter for years. For journalists — whose job it is to care about historical accuracy of text they're reporting on — it's a sign they're being lazy or disingenuous, so shame on them for crying that they want to have their cake and eat it.

Truthiness matters. People on Twitter asked for years for the ability to edit tweets. Mastodon gave us the "Edit" button. Fantastic! This comes at the cost of negating the utility of quote-posting, since the author can see your quote and edit what they wrote. The reason to quote is to provide context. But, if that context is mutable then it diminishes our trust in the quote and thus removes its semantic value. (Sure, Mastodon shows if a toot as been edited and lets us see previous versions, but this is lost in a world of clickbait headlines and mainstream media articles that embed toots/tweets).

For the sake of clear communication and community safety, we shouldn't give abusers, haters, bad actors, *-phobes, scammers, gaslighters, liars (or all of the above; for convenience let's say "politicians") the ability to change what they said after they've been quoted.

Make a screenshot. The original author can't edit that.

#Quoting #QuotePosting #QuoteTweeting #QT

My thoughts so far on this whole #qt / #quoteTweeting discussion on #mastodon I'm seeing - how about acknowledging that this just isn't the burb site? It has different features, coded for different reasons? That old skool you can cut and paste what you want to quote? That no one owes you features to make the environment more like the toxic one we left, and if you really really want them, you can learn to code, fork the code off github, and do what you wish? Merry Christmas ;-)

An idea on #qt / #quoteTweeting on #mastodon - how about have the feature to enable quote posting, but the user has to choose to allow the post they write as being quote-tweetable (by default turned off, can be turned on in settings or for certain hashtags)?

That way, it allows journalists to boost and do quote-tweeting but avoids regular posters from being harrassed.

All I hope for is that people see that #QuoteTweeting was frequently used as a tool of abuse that specifically led to trans women (speaking for myself) getting dogpiled with abuse and although I accepted it I definitely did not enjoy it. I'm also aware that using the subjective as a proxy for the structural is a bad faith argument. All I need is the choice to opt out, you can pour over any shit that I talk at your leisure, I'm not interested in being put on a microscope slide without agreement.

During my first few weeks on Masto I found myself reaching for that QT button a lot. Not having it made me pause and really think about whether adding my two cents was valuable or not. In most cases, it was not. It made my engagement more mindful, and was better for my followers, I’m sure. I’m glad we don’t have the ability to QT and I hope we never add it.

#twitter #QuoteTweeting

For example, there's an ongoing discussion about the role of #QuoteTweeting, which Mastodon's core devs have eschewed as conducive to antisocial dunks, but which some parts of #BlackTwitter describe as key to a healthy discourse:

https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2022/12/21/Mastodon-Ethics

But quote tweeting wasn't initially a part of Twitter. Instead, users kludged it, pasting in text and URLs for others' tweets to make it work.

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@sdvicto Yes. #QuoteTweeting here is not a thing. This is intentional because it is believed that it is performative and an easy way to dunk on other users. You can find lots of discussion about this, but the bottom line is that it will probably not be implemented anytime soon. Once you use Mastodon for a while and get over the initial frustration of not being able to quickly post someone else's work and critique it, you may understand the rational behind this better.

#twittermigration

@PessoaBrain @kordinglab @NicoleCRust @jonny @neuralreckoning @bwyble @GunnarBlohm You mean #quotetweets #quotetweeting? Giving a post additional context is badly needed. Not just as a reply.

Absolutely agree with @timnitGebru re the positive and necessary uses of quote-tweeting. Mastodon should give users this tool. #QuoteTweeting #Mastodon #FeatureRequest

I do think #QuoteTweeting is a feature that was not bad if an instance is well governed. I do think #algorithms are important/improve #UserExperience #UX as long as users make conscious choices about what algorithms/filters they use.

I do hope & think that #mastodon will develop in that direction just as #Twitter did, but it will be much better as it involves empowered users.

This 🧵 by a former #RIPTwitter professional summarizes a lot of the things I have been mulling

https://social.lot23.com/@jon/109372257422277945

Personally, I suspect Mastodon standing against "quote tweeting/tooting" (QT) won't hold water for long.

Any instance that adds this feature, especially when more official news sources come online, will outgrow other instances. Why? Because QTing is a much more convenient way to dicuss current events than other options.

Maybe other ways to avoid QT abuse can be found, like toots having to permit QT or allowing the quoted poster to delete the QT.

#quotetweeting #qt #features

@alltherum
#TwitterMigration #QuoteTweeting

I'm puzzled about what is actually lost, without the Quote-RT button. If you click on a reply in the timeline, it opens the original post. Also, you can click on options to "expand this post," and see the thread. It looks like everything is there -- except for the option to gang up and harass somebody.