Well, *cough* the powers-that-be think handing out #BirdSite features like #QuoteTweets is much more important, even though they staunchly explained why those features should never and would never be on mastodon at the beginning of the #Twexodus. :P
#birdsite #quotetweets #twexodus
"#BlueSky users use the quote tweet feature primarily to boost shit takes and dunk on them"
Which is what people coming out of Twitter in very early November (waves hand) were saying
Until we got shouted down by all the alpha male tech bros who said harassment had never happened to *them* and it wasn't a problem and we gave up beating that dead horse
#qt #quotetweets #QP #quoteposts #bluesky
#QuoteToots should be allowed on #mastodon at least as follow-ups for your own toots. And maybe even for mutual follows. That way you could update earlier discussions without only providing bare links.
But I also think it is sensible not to be able to talk about people you have no connection to via #quotetweets, though. If you feel it is really necessary, you can still do that with screenshots, but I like that it is discouraged by default. Endless #drĆ¼kos were one of the issues at #Twitter long before Musk.
#QuoteToots #mastodon #quotetweets #drukos #twitter
#Threads currently depends wholly on:
1. The massive amount of #celebrities and #verified accounts that got first dibs to create the illusion of content.
2. #Instagram users making the leap.
There's not much to the app beyond that, but I will applaud them on a flawless execution of the basics of #Twitter (#retweets #QuoteTweets and the feed itself).
#quotetweets #retweets #twitter #instagram #verified #celebrities #threads
This is the type of content I miss the most from that foul site. #QuoteTweets
So this damn dead horse twitches again
"it doesn't seem to have actually stopped people from engaging in meta-commentary"
See:
Any code written by [man] can be broken by [man]
IOW, people who just *have* to have #QuoteTweets are *going* to try to find some way to hack around its absence
Which doesn't invalidate the original source code design decisions
"even if that means doubling down via harsher prevention"
Yeah
You going to volunteer to moderate then?
Or pay to hire mods?
@gwensnyder
I know some folks on Mastodon have said they don't want #QuoteTweets because they saw it sometimes used for bullying. But I rather enjoyed it because it helped me to highlight someone else's comment (giving them credit when doing so) and to really help draw traffic to someone else's account. It was also great for RT-ing #threads , where nothing in the original tweet indicated it was a thread at all.
In theory, copying a link to a toot here has a similar function, but I don't think it has the same effect. You don't see the entire #QT'd toot displayed clearly under the other one.
In my Mastodon app, clicking on the link to a "QT'd" toot takes me out of my app and into a browser. It's actually rather annoying.
I have also taken a screenshot of a toot and QT'd it that way, but this method loses the connection to the original account, and then that account also misses out on traffic coming to their feed.
@GrahamDowns
I would be very happy to go along with your version and hope it gains traction.
There were plenty of tiresome people on the birdsite, I just don't remember #QuoteTweets being their main outlet. #QuoteToot #QuoteBoost #Mastodon
#quotetweets #quotetoot #quoteboost #mastodon
@tokyo_0
"Leaves me trying to make sense of why I also feel pretty strongly that #quoteTweets do more harm than good,"
regardless of the studies - test it yourself.
Pop on to Twitter. just spend 5 minutes. Count the number of QT's you see that are NOT an attempt to ridicule someone and encourage a twitter pile-on vs the number that are for that reason. I guess it could also be argued, that even if it is the case that QTs being used in a negative way is lower than we expected -
"Do QTs increase Twitter pile-ons or swarms? -- None of the studies could answer this question or estimate how often this happens."
This feels like a significant gap. š¤
It is interesting to see this kind of rigour applied to the research, though. Leaves me trying to make sense of why I also feel pretty strongly that #quoteTweets do more harm than good, when that doesn't seem to be supported by the data. When shaping a #userExperience, which should you trust?
#Mastodon https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/01/12/quote-tweeting-over-30-studies-dispel-some-myths/
#Mastodon #userexperience #quotetweets
Ich kann schon verstehen, dass Leute ihre Initialposts hier & auf #Twitter crossposten und das stƶrt mich Ć¼berhaupt nicht, ganz im Gegenteil.
Aber #Retweets / #Quotetweets spiegeln? Das erschlieĆt sich mir Ć¼berhaupt nicht. DafĆ¼r wƤre ich doch bei Twitter š¤·š¼āāļø
#twitter #retweets #quotetweets
@adam_caudill @SwiftOnSecurity
I never used #twitter, but #QuoteTweets seem quite helpful. If it were enabled I hope the OP gets pinged, so they can participate in the discussion.
https://universeodon.com/@Cooljojo/109721047362990471
Test: does this look like quote toot on #IceCubesApp
#quotetoot #icecubesapp #Mastodon #Twitter #quotetweets
This weekend I finally found the time to pore over the #quotetweets research by @hildabast, which is excellent in every respect. Thank you so much!
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Although I was a heavy quotetweeter on Twitter, I was agnostic about it here. Now Iāve come around to thinking that a QT/opt-in combination will enrich the Mastodon experience, plus other advantages as pointed out in the paper (e.g., for moderators).
https://absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/01/12/quote-tweeting-over-30-studies-dispel-some-myths/
while we're still thinking about #quotetweets it's probably worth looking at The Federated Timeline as an antifeature
the local timeline is great, you can pick your instance for it. But to post locally you have to also post to the firehose, and get all sorts of people jumping in just for the sake of it, instead of having to see you off a boost
@ignis problem I see with #quotetweets: someone posts a thread. Someone with a lot of followers reads it and finds a post in the middle that they dislike. They quote tweet it and attack it. Their followers see that, donāt bother to read context and boost just that post. It trends, people start making threats, #foxnews #thefive weigh in with stupid takesā¦#Twitter ended up the #JerrySpringer of social media.
#quotetweets #foxnews #thefive #Twitter #jerryspringer
@JazzyDragon itās a perception. I donāt have data but when I use #Mastodon as Iāve done for about 2 months now, Iāve yet to look at my feed and get angry. I donāt know if #quotetweets is the reason or Mastodon is still growing, but I am suspect of any effort to make it like #Twitter. I also feel that this place is great because itās not dominated by celebrities, politicians, etc. Thereās no #algorithm and everyone seems to have an equal voice.
#Mastodon #quotetweets #Twitter #algorithm
The point on #Mastodon is this:
There was a conscious design decision made at the highest software levels *not* to implement #QuoteTweets on Mastodon
It's not an accident
There are other alternative ways of accomplishing the same functionality that do *not* need an abuse vector that I have witnessed myself used against women by violent #Incel / #MRA / #Misogynist males
Why *add* in a rejected abuse vector just to satisfy a minority of new arrivals/slow learners?
#mastodon #quotetweets #incel #mra #misogynist
@hildabast I'm a fan of quote tweets. I rarely saw them abused. To me they are a way to add something to the conversation while giving credit and exposure to the OP.
I'd love to see quote tweets available on Mastodon. Let's get it done!