That feeling when you forget to close a quote in bash, and bash waits patiently for you to close that stupid quote, but you don't realize it, and you go "WTF is taking so long?" and then you realize your mistake, and you go 🤦.

Yeah, that happened, just now. :madjoy:

#tfw #facepalm #bash #quoting #unix

Question for the #Mastodon #dev bubble: Is #quoting planned in the future? I always find it strange to share posts without comment :ameowlurk:

@logienick @KuJoe @feditips I like #IceCubes for a lot of its #Quoting and #Editing functions, but I prefer #Metatext for almost everything else.

One of my pet peeves with Mastodon is still #boosting. It's incredibly unsatisfying because

a) people can't add to the content (the creative game also known as #quoting)

b) I can't "reward" the person that boosted the content into my TL with a like, because these likes won't show in their notifications. Vica versa I don't get any feedback whether my followers liked my boosts.

So I find myself disabling #boosts from more and more accounts, and I rarely boost myself. I don't see the point in anonymously passing along the same content everyone shares, and maybe people don't even like it but just play along.

Nevertheless, the bot is helpful when trying to figure out #quoting problems ^^ 😆

Epiphany! for me. I thought of a way to hack(?) block quotes so they don't look like my writing when shared from Misskey to Mastodon. After the ">" markdown placing a ".>" might not be too irritating. WIth just and addition ">" I ended up with nested blockquotes, which surprised me and will be very useful when quoting something with it's own quotes. I should have used that for Rebecca Gordon's post with the Hannah Arendt quotes.
#Fediverse #Misskey #MarkDown #Quoting #Blockquotes to #Mastodon

With #quoting becoming possible on #Mastodon, we have the opportunity to decide what those posts will be called. Will they be Quote Posts or Quote Toots. QPs or QTs. Choose wisely.

Joesph #quoting today.
#JoeScarborough #MightyJoe 👍🏻

Followup on my earlier toot re: quote-tooting:

I just remembered an actual example in my own firsthand experience where I experienced bad side effects from QT'ing. I'd QT'ed somebody's tweet about Rings of Power, and expressed my own pleasure that RoP was bringing in actors of color. I got swarmed by racists who came over to bitch at me about doing Tolkien "wrong". I had no time for that bullshit, and blocked every troll.

#quotes #QuoteToots #quoting

I've been thinking about the ongoing debate about whether to implement quote tooting. On Twitter, I myself _only_ used QT's as a means to go "this is a cool thing, go look at the cool thing", or "I cosign what this person said".

On the other hand, I've also seen it used in the negative contexts that so many people have reported. So in good conscience I cannot reject those concerns.

#quoting #QuoteToots #quotes

@Gargron I personally despise quoting because on twitter I saw them being used as vectors of hyper anxiety amongst marginalised groups (ones that I am a part of). But I recognise that many want them. The above list is the bare minimum to make a system with quotes usable by many marginalised groups (primarily people, like me, with mental health issues).

#quotes #quoting

Oh, joy. @Gargron is thinking about implementing quoting. 😔

IF this happens it can only be safe for everyone with ALL of the following features:

* the ability to extend keyword filters into quoted material.
* the ability for CWs to be respected in quoted material.
* for people to opt out of being quoted, on a toot and account level.
* for people to be able to filter out quote toots from their timeline, on a general and account level.

#quotes #quoting #quotetoots

Great, I am being quoted now, and because it's patched functionality I can't actually reply to ask the person not to do that.

The absolute spirit of twitter.

I am going to block anyone who quote boosts me without interacting with me first. I don't care how well intentioned you are, its intrusive and the intrusion is made infinitely worse by not being able to reply.

#Quoting #QT #quoteboosts

@pixelcode @Gargron
I agree that Boost + Reply is not a replacement for quoting. But I feel that #Quoting is profound enough to alter the overall feel and flow of the short form conversation, to the extent that it’s worth not including so as to preserve the designer’s vision of the platform. Luckily, the code is open source and an #instance can be modified at will to serve the will of an instance’s #community.

@ariadne I despise quote tweets, but they are looking like they will happen on Mastodon because of the dominance of technocratism here.

When they happen I hope to god that you include the ability to mute all quote toots from a user, just like with boosts. Otherwise Mastodon will quickly unusable for many minority groups. 😔

#quoteTweets #quoteToots #quotes #quoting #mastodon

When people ask for the ability to quote posts _and_ the ability to edit posts, I think it shows their brains have been broken by using Twitter for years. For journalists — whose job it is to care about historical accuracy of text they're reporting on — it's a sign they're being lazy or disingenuous, so shame on them for crying that they want to have their cake and eat it.

Truthiness matters. People on Twitter asked for years for the ability to edit tweets. Mastodon gave us the "Edit" button. Fantastic! This comes at the cost of negating the utility of quote-posting, since the author can see your quote and edit what they wrote. The reason to quote is to provide context. But, if that context is mutable then it diminishes our trust in the quote and thus removes its semantic value. (Sure, Mastodon shows if a toot as been edited and lets us see previous versions, but this is lost in a world of clickbait headlines and mainstream media articles that embed toots/tweets).

For the sake of clear communication and community safety, we shouldn't give abusers, haters, bad actors, *-phobes, scammers, gaslighters, liars (or all of the above; for convenience let's say "politicians") the ability to change what they said after they've been quoted.

Make a screenshot. The original author can't edit that.

#Quoting #QuotePosting #QuoteTweeting #QT

On another note, I also want to take issue with the "stealing your words" phrasing oft used in the quote-tweet debate.

If I'm plagiarizing you, _then_ I'm stealing your words.

If I'm quoting you, with not only attribution but with a link to the exact source of the quotation in and with all its original context, then the ownership of those words is both clear and reinforced.

#quoting

It is becoming increasingly hard for me to see the no-quote-tweeting/no-search-or-archive/right-to-be-forgotten mob on the one hand as more or less an isomorph of the free-speech-means-no-consequences mob on the other - as one long oxymoronic demand for privacy in public.

#quoting #searching #archiving #FreeSpeech #privacy

#QuoteBoosts #Quotes #Quoting #QuoteTweets

I've seen too many instances of quote tweets being abused (and similar on Usenet) to either dunk on someone or enhance someones status I think they're bad.

I also find too much content is people making curated statements but engagement and conversation *between* people is low.

I'm also picking up a whiff of journos and academics (possibly others) lifting content from other online sources and presenting it as original to enhance "authority" and clickbait value.

#Quoting #QuoteTweet #QuoteBoost