@alxlg @nhan Except it‘s not just about the retrieval mechanism. It‘s about packaging too. Logseq thinks *purely* in nodal paragraph blocks, which at some point becomes, IMO, a disadvantage. That‘s why I find applications like #Capacities or #SiYuan nice as well. At some point I want to graduate from nodes to long-form page writing, and that‘s where Logseq gets too opinionated in the other direction.

This isn‘t purely about retrieval.

Doing research and realizing that unfortunately #SiYuan messes one thing up - backlinks and mentions render the *inline content* that contains the link.

The way SiYuan models pages, lists of any kind are structural objects that attach inline content.

That means while you can write outliner-style lists in SiYuan, the context of that list, especially child bullets, doesn‘t automatically come along like it happens in #logseq - or #capacities.

“You can follow any Mastodon account via RSS by just adding “.rss” to the end of the account’s public profile URL.”

From:
https://ldstephens.medium.com/how-to-follow-a-mastodon-account-with-rss-39f1c4b477cb

For example, his is the RSS feed for @omnivore

https://pkm.social/@omnivore.rss

@logseq
@obsidianmd
@pkm@a.gup.pe
@pkm@chirp.social
#pkm
#rss
#obsidian
#logseq
#capacities
#anytype
#ReflectNotes
#ReflectApp
#ClickUp
#Taskade
#CraftDocs
#XTiles
#Loom
#MemAI
#Affine
#TanaApp
#Tana
#TickTick
#PixelFed
@pixelfed
#Vivaldi
@Vivaldi
#Siyuan

@Leo @alexl Logseq‘s shown us that using Markdown bullets for outlining is perfectly servicable in the primary region it‘s supposed to be good at - short sentences, highly structured in ordered list trees. And that workflow is perfect for capture and refinement… but tendentially flawed for knowledge storage and especially expression. Why these things haven‘t been strongly married outside of #SiYuan I frankly don‘t fully understand.

@noboilerplate @MarkoHelgenko @akkerman Also speaking of web apps - #SiYuan has this very interesting model where the app technically consists of a „kernel“ and a frontend (similar to Affine). So as a company you can host a kernel and have people VPN their frontends to a shared kernel. And the web server can host a web app. All under a GNU liscence and with local-first hosting options. Interesting model.

#Tryingout #SiYuan 3.0.0 Alpha 2 #pkm

cc @nhan

SiYan defs are definitely moving. In Alpha 1, databases were only visible from the database block itself. Now when you open the attribute list of a block, there are three tabs at the top, one of which is for databases. You can now edit properties of each database row in place, with some present limitations.

Database membership is not yet indicated in the normal editor UI.

@spinningthoughts I looked at #SiYuan a while back, but not lately. I’m interested to see where they go with the app!

@markmcelroy One new challenger I also see appearing in the backmirror is #SiYuan. Local-first and various sync solutions. They‘ve just started rolling out their database model and it allows giving any single block propeties… and simultanous membership in multiple databases. The UX is still very limited, but SiYuan could overtake Anytype and Capacities and become more Tana-like while having long-form writing capabilities and plugins, all under a GNU liscence. Potent mixture.

Okay so first point from poking around in the #SiYuan alpha without having read anything else - it‘s definitely still rough (no reference type in this build)

But 1.) yes, you can add any block. That means a page, a paragraph, a heading… whatever. Any block in SiYuan can be a database member and that is *huge*

2.) a block can be part of more than one database at the same time

3.) at present databases are implemented as a new block type that points at blocks.

I‘m so pulling the insider alpha of #SiYuan 3.0.0 and poking around with it.

The ability of #Logseq and #Obsidian and #SiYuan to suggest "unlinked mentions" or similar without us asking for it explicitly is one of their little superpowers and I feel like we should expand on that.

Yes that may require metadata that a plain text file is not equipped to deal with. But I see that as a challenge, first of all. Not an obstacle.

The main reason #Logseq is still my favourite #PKM app despite very good alternatives like #SiYuan, #Affine and #AnyType is queries.

I think one can't really appreciate Logseq until they integrate queries in their workflow.

But I hate that Simple Queries syntax is too limited and I need Advanced Queries syntax (i.e. #Datalog ) too often.

@jslr I would say what I‘m proposing *underpins* behavior. Which is something tricky to scope, to be fair, because data structures need to support this behavior. And if we formulate declarative layouts on a canvas, why not on a text document too?

Some of the more JSON-y document structures like #Capacities or #siyuan basically already *are* constrained canvas layouts. And then you take #Affine where any page‘s blocks are also canvas blocks intermeshed…

@aadam I am like you Adam - Tana is so easy to use but the online-only aspect is limiting for me. I imported all my notes to #SiYuan and really enjoying it. Speed, offline, so many features, al tick.

Think Tana will be my online workbook and SiYuan my offline one. Tough choices ahead

Another update from the #Siyuan team on twitter:

"SiYuan Database filter on a multi-select column, table view"
https://twitter.com/b3logos/status/1679522810618867712

Getting better and better.

Installed #SiYuan just then.

Impressions in the first 10 seconds.
1) It's an Electron app. SIGH. I mean, so is Obsidian but.. SIGH. We can do better than fucking Electron, guys.
2) Screenshot may well be a dealbreaker.

Ok. TF is #SiYuan?

"Markmind" plugin for #SiYuan for mindmaps, linking together PDF annotations

"Attribute View in #SiYuan is just a little like the simple version of the Notion database but runs locally."

https://twitter.com/b3logos/status/1677702712224538624?t=rkATr5OvWow5IE4ffeqXKw&s=19

@alexl @nhan might be if interest

@ednico

Also check how they implement different layouts for blocks by just drag and dropping them. In the images below you can see how nested blocks have multiple handles on hower that let you select the part you want.

There are other #SiYuan features that you will find in something like #Obsidian, for example the outline of headings, bookmarks, saving query criteria and more.