@bjkingape
>progressive friends mostly won't give up or drastically reduce meat and dairy

Ah, yes, this. Fwiw, i went vegetarian 11.x yrs ago, primarily for principles of #ethics, #environment & #health, but also tbh partly #budget. My ongoing failing though is #dairy, coz i love #cheese & #yoghurt, & drink lotsa #milk. Re latter, coupla yrs back i changed to #SoyMilk, but lately for availability & budget, might have to revert to #SkimMilkPowder ... which is killing my conscience! :sadmsn: