I want fewer app feature #PKM videos and more “I made this wonderful thing people care about using a PKM-based workflow and here's how I did it, step by step" videos.

#Obsidian #ObsidianMD #Logseq #Tana #Heptabase

Later this month, I will attend Cohort 10 of Action-Powered Productivity. The course is tool-agnostic. The attendees and alumni use #PKM tools like #Tana, #Obsidian, and #Logseq, and no one has only a single tool in their toolbox (so you'll see #DEVONthink, #Todoist, #Drafts, and many others). I have attended cohorts in the past, including the very first one, back when everyone was using #Roam, and I always get a lot out of it.

It would be great to see you there!

https://rjn.st/applied-app

@spinningthoughts - thoughts are what clutter up our brains! Open loops if we want to be a bit more technical, or maybe Actionables - things we can do (and be that just to spend time thinking about them and expanding our notes of thoughts and connections to other info in our system)

Thoughts are everything. Knowledge, tasks, the project management systems… they‘re the unifying atom under tools like #Obsidian and #Logseq and #Tana and onwards.

@geffrey I link everything using the format available in the app. E.g., in @anytypelabs I @ everything back to a main page and to any related pages, in @logseq I use namespace-ing with intuitive ordered root topics, in @capacities I copy/paste object references, @ or embed related items (even though their system links things pretty well anyway & links items to dates created and/or mentioned), in @tana_inc I use #supertags for ea. project &/or task. & NO, I don't upload any content to #Tana.

@alxlg @nhan -structuring, enriching and retrieving data should, really, *must* work at the paragraph level.

#Obsidian fault is not going down far enough in breaking down information as system-handeable chunks.

#Logseq gets kinda stuck in the middle - human plain text, organized in small chunks, doesn‘t really go very small or very large

#Tana is stuck at the lowest end - very small nodes with property links, closest to a terse RDF knowledge graph.

@ednico @Calixthe @spinningthoughts @tana_inc @capacities @logseq #Notion has been operating with no E2EE or offline access for years and has plenty of users, so #Tana may be able to succeed without them. I’m not interested in a #PKM or #notes app that lacks those features, but a lot of people either haven’t thought about it or don’t seem to care.

@ednico @spinningthoughts @tana_inc @capacities @logseq I totally understand @ednico but I just wanted to clarify I am not going all in on #Tana @tana_inc , or importing any notes or content into Tana. I am just going all in on learning Tana. I look at it like learning to pilot a boat or fly a light plane, a sometimes useful luxury. My notes live and will stay in #LogSeq @logseq , I just couldn't resist the siren song of Tana. I can't let it beat me. 😅

@spinningthoughts I have decided to go all in on learning @tana_inc #Tana . It's too powerful and has too many capabilities to ignore. I will still maintain my other #pkm tools with their respective purposes. For example, I uploaded a tex file [pre-print from my PI] to @capacities and it rendered it correctly! @logseq #LogSeq is still the foundation and daily driver, etc. I love getting over that learning curve [if I can do so quickly]. Summer "break" 😆is over, so time to shift my focus.

Now, SiYuan‘s backlinks UI lets you „step up“ the hierarchy, but now you have to "fold out" views in a way that doesn‘t have a list-wide shortcut or button to get an overview. That‘s a high friction killer.

Shame. I had seen SiYuan a bit further ahead - and I mean, in terms of database game they‘ll be up there with #RemNote and #Heptabase, now, and have a lowkey parity with #Tana. That‘s not nothing.

But it feels like a little less than they should have because of one bad UI choice.

“You can follow any Mastodon account via RSS by just adding “.rss” to the end of the account’s public profile URL.” https://ldstephens.medium.com/how-to-follow-a-mastodon-account-with-rss-39f1c4b477cb (NOT anything with @chirp.social or @a.gup.pe bc those are groups) https://fedi.tips/following-mastodon-and-fediverse-accounts-through-rss/

To follow @omnivore as an #RSS feed, type: https://pkm.social/@omnivore.rss

@pkm@a.gup.pe @pkm@chirp.social
@logseq@a.gup.pe @obsidianmd #PKM @obsidian @logseq@lemmy.ml #Tana #ReflectNotes @affine @capacities @cogsciapps #CraftDocs @Vivaldi #xTiles #WebCrate @OmniFocus @OmniOutliner @pixelfed @devontechnologies

For anyone asking why?

1. I value my notes being mine too much, which puts #tana out of contention.

2. I like writing in outline, but also in long form which puts #logseq out of the question.

There are also some other issues with Tana and Logseq that are for another day

3. I need my notes synced across my devices and want this to be secure, which puts #RemNote out of contention.

4. I need something reliable and quick.

Interesting time ahead.

“You can follow any Mastodon account via RSS by just adding “.rss” to the end of the account’s public profile URL.”

From:
https://ldstephens.medium.com/how-to-follow-a-mastodon-account-with-rss-39f1c4b477cb

For example, his is the RSS feed for @omnivore

https://pkm.social/@omnivore.rss

@logseq
@obsidianmd
@pkm@a.gup.pe
@pkm@chirp.social
#pkm
#rss
#obsidian
#logseq
#capacities
#anytype
#ReflectNotes
#ReflectApp
#ClickUp
#Taskade
#CraftDocs
#XTiles
#Loom
#MemAI
#Affine
#TanaApp
#Tana
#TickTick
#PixelFed
@pixelfed
#Vivaldi
@Vivaldi
#Siyuan

@Leo @alexl Not having long paragraphs can be tolerable in something like #Tana, I‘ve discovered - apps where you can get by a lot using (semantic) linking and referencing - but there it arguably comes with information opacity challenges. Sometimes having a nice *file* for something is just the right box. And personally #pkm software should be very careful about what use cases it doesn‘t support. #FreedomToConstraint is my first design principle for pkm I stand by.

For me, supertags are #Tana 's killer feature. #obsidian upped its metadata game with this latest version, and #logseq has had a somewhat flexible properties system for a long time. But none compare to the power of supertags at the block level.

@spinningthoughts My tags are always a type; they answer the question "what is this?". For everything else, I use properties. #Tana encourages this very strongly, while with #Obsidian, tagging blocks makes a mess of things. #logseq is somewhere in between.

@neekubee
reply:
@omnivore @capacities @logseq@a.gup.pe @logseq@lemmy.ml @obsidian @clickup #taskade #tana #TanaApp @cogsciapps #hookmark @OmniFocus @OmniOutliner @ticktick @reflectnotes @craftdocsapp@bird.makeup @craftdocsapp@twtr.plus @devontechnologies #DEVONThink @pkm@a.gup.pe @pkm@chirp.social #WebCrate #Loom #MemAI @affine #Notion #HintsAIAssistant https://hints.so #FireFish https://kbin.social @pixelfed @anytypelabs

@anders @joonhyeok_ahn As a new Tana user I do find it easy to create these relationships but it is so far not clear to me that it is any easier than doing it in Roam which is still my primary TfT

#Tana #Roam

@anders What is the edge over Obsidian? I haven't used #tana at all so wonder what are the advantages if I switched over to it.

@ednico @EpiphanicSynchronicity @nhan

3. @ednico, while we have manuscripts that are hundred of years old, we have less of the working material from the creators. I have started to think about my own tools and processes the same way. #Tana is a great thinking environment, that helps me produce things that are used outside Tana. So even if some of my working material would be lost, what it helped me produce will (perhaps) still be around.

@ednico @EpiphanicSynchronicity @nhan

2. Answering your question here (https://mastodon.social/@nhan/110730179303483083), @nhan, two things have changed:

a) As per 1, the longevity is not in wether you use Markdown or something else as the file format, but wether what you store there is well structured etc. My Markdown files, created over 10+ years, are a mess. What #Tana, and perhaps others offer, is the possibility to alter your data structure as needed. Could be done if you use Markdown as well, but harder.