We are currently not allowed to talk about social/tech politics subject, firstly because people ignore it as "common sense" irrelevances and secondly they actively #BLOCK you if you push these conversations. I understand it's a hard thing to talk about, and likely impossible to get a solid consensus on, BUT we can build a map of diversity of views http://hamishcampbell.com/2023/05/20/we-need-fresh-thinking-on-this-mess/ we do need to do this, to mediate the #techchurn and social mess spreading,

It’s good that people try not to push pointless tech projects… And the majority of new tech projects are obviously pointless. To get an idea of what to push do a #4opens review and publish this, let’s build a community of useful tech together. We need to do better.

#techchurn has made so much #techshit over the last 10 years. There are piles of #mainstreaming and alt tech that needs to be composted to grow a more humane world.

And sometimes, people would get so excited about new technology that they would forget about the things that were already there. This was called #nothingnew. And sometimes, people would keep making new things, even if they didn't really help anyone. This was called #techchurn.

The #techchurn hashtag refers to the technological outcome of the #geekproblem, which can lead to a constant cycle of new projects that do not address underlying social issues. Finally, the #OMN and #indymediaback hashtags promote the idea of an open media network and the rebooting of the altmedia project that was once the size of traditional media on the #openweb. The #OGB hashtag represents the need for open governance and the power of community to make decisions collectively.

Keeping things simple and straightforward with the #KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) principle ia a powerful way to promote the #openweb vs #closedweb and the #4opens in technology development.

It's important to recognize that technology is constantly evolving, and the #techchurn can result in a lot of #techshit that is not useful or sustainable. By composting this techcrap and promoting more open and ethical practices, we can create a healthier and more resilient #openweb that benefits everyone.

The #OGB focus on what we know works, as at the moment, almost nothing works for social good. The #OGB project is what is needed, a voluntary cooperative and collaborative alliance that is native to the #fediverse.

The thinking is that we need to put a stop to the #techchurn as we have piles of #techshit already to compost, that #nothingnew is a hashtag for this.

Almost all our #geekproblem software fails because they are building "control", where all good societies are built on "trust". We keep making piles of #techshit because we can't communicate about this simple understanding #techchurn one way to address this is to fund the social side of tech.

The problem which we need to solve is the institutions funding of the social side of #openweb tech, if we this now most of this funding will feed parasite #NGO's rather than anything useful.

Almost all our #geekproblem software fails because they are building "control", where all good societies are built on "trust".

We keep making piles of #techshit because we can't communicate about this simple understanding #techchurn

It is important to remember that the #EU funding for the #openweb should be used to support grassroots projects and communities, rather than feeding the #dotcons #fashernista and #geekproblem that can lead to #techchurn and a loss of focus on the real goals. It is crucial that we push back hard on this and advocate for a balance of good vs damage, and strive for a more inclusive and community-driven approach to funding and decision-making in our #openweb ecosystem.

It also helps to prevent the #techchurn and the building of tech-based #NGO solutions that are not needed or not fitting the grassroots problem.

Pushing simple #KISS ideas like #openweb vs #closedweb and #4opens as a powerful way to judge and compost #techcrap to mediate the #techchurn. This can help to promote open-source code, open standards, open governance, and open data in technology development.

@liaizon @mai @compost @ntnsndr

#friendlyenemies kinda sumes up all the #mainstreaming articles about the #openweb who can't see outside the #techshit so add to the problem of #techchurn

Compost the lot comes to mind.

@witchescauldron Thank you for a glossary of the hashtags I was getting pretty confused there. You misspelled #techchurn but it's kind of a stupid speling in the first place. You might add OGB and OMN to that, with links. Also "encryptionists" isn't about encryption. It's about #blockchains, proof of work algorithms, and Byzantine consensus. Please don't hate on encryption it's our only hope.

Over coming pointless #techchurn is about overcoming the prat side of the #geekproblem this is a VERY hard thing to do as the is a self reinforcing circle of decay.

This is why we use the composting metaphor, it's not worked yet, but composting takes time :)

The problem we face is that most of these tech project paths we know do not work, as the same #geekproblem projects has been tried meany times over the last 20 years.

One thing we need to do is focus on stopping this utterly pointless #techchurn to focus on things we don't actually know are going to fail... but yes, you would be right to point out we don't know these ideas will work as we haven't tried them yet...

This is a good problem to have #OGB

@wolftune the problem we face is that most of these tech project paths we know do not work, as the same #geekproblem projects has been tried meany times over the last 20 years.

One thing we need to do is focus on stopping this utterly pointless #techchurn
and focus on things we don't actually know are going to fail... but yes, you would be right to point out we don't know these ideas will work as we haven't tried them yet...

This is a good problem to have #OGB

It should be obvious to nobody that our #NGO and #chattering classes are morale bankrupt.

https://pluralistic.net/2021/11/14/still-the-product/#vizio

Anyone pushing #mainstreaming is the problem, not the solution they talk about.

#techchurn #techshit #fasherniata

All of society is based on Mythos and Traditions so all social groups need this.

Yes the #deathcult is very bad for this and social democracy is only half better.

The #4opens is an attempt to build "progressive" social groups based on the opensource mythos and treditions.

The #OMN is the practical "use" path.

Good to think of #nothingnew as a way out of our #techchurn

@baslow all of society is based on Mythos and Traditions so all social groups need this.

Yes the #deathcult is very bad for this and social democracy is only half better.

The #4opens is an attempt to build "progressive" social groups based on the opensource mythos and treditions.

The #OMN is the practical "use" path.

Good to think of #nothingnew as a way out of our #techchurn

@bob this is obviously not what I am talking about.

Am nearly always talking about "us" rarely about "them"... Why you might ask (I would hope).

It's about power and where it lies (that misspell is half on purpose).

A path for thinking:

Power comes from social groups built on trust.

Helplessness comes from isolated individuals.

Which is our/there #techchurn pushing, in this view we find a root to the problem, and a path out of this mess #OMN