@jonathankoren @neurovagrant Yeah, and AFAICT they mostly support #btrfs, #ext2 / #ext3 / #ext4, #FAT32 and maybe #ExFAT in some cases where the vendor paid $$ per device to #Microsoft.

Mainline #Linux ≠ #Android #toybox / #linux!
As I've gutted most out of the kernel for #OS1337 myself...

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#ToyBox
#Safety

@bagder @BrodieOnLinux also because #wget as implemented in #Toybox doesn't support #SSL unless one fiddles with it or can use the pre-made binaries...

Granted that's just the "core" system: with only #linux, #toybox and #dropbear as #ssh client...

Nothing else...

It can barely get on #Ethernet and #SSH to #IPv4-reachable hosts.

Not much more.

So it'll turn your #i486 and up into a SSH-Terminal not dissimilar from classic terminals like the #VT320...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZUPpmXfT0&t=357s

Wow, @linux does actually improve efficiency over time...

I just compiled a minimal kernel 6.5 for OS/1337 targeting #i486 instead of #i686 and the resulting binary is even 10kB smaller than the one for 6.4.12...

For real: That's awesome cuz it allows me to make the #Floppy version for #486SX a reality and still have #Toybox & #dropbear as #SSH client in it...

Cudos to @torvalds and the maintainers for that:
They really did cleanup the codebase and made it #smol|ler!

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110965679190470398

@ncommander OFC, that is a concern if RAM is a limiting factor...

And I do know that most distros like @ubuntu will zse shared libraries as they have way more programs needing them at the same time, so I don't think that's bad on their part.

Whereas in my case of OS/1337 the #Floppy version (1440kB) literally only contains #Linux as Kernel, #toybox as Userland and #Dropbear as SSH-Client and nothing else.

It's basically turning a machine into a "SSH-Terminal" and that's it.

Sadly, #toybox doesn't like to build it's #wget with #SSL / #TLS due to a missing header file...
https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/issues/1

mind you this could even save more space...

Tho I've to see how much #toybox is a drop-in replacement for #BusyBox and how much I need to restructure the files...

But OFC you'll find all the files at the repo:
https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337

YOS!

#Linux 6.4.12 (with networking support!) + #toybox 0.8.10 in 980k using #musl-cross-i686

This is awesome...

Seems like I can fit #dropbear as #SSH client on the 3,5" #1440kB #Floppy as well...

I guess it would've been possible to make #Floppinux for a #720k #Floppy as well... ?

#OS1337 #development
https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/commit/d4a59245953bd7529ee8a3c178841b6114cd7881

@whitekiba yeah, I do intent on putting those a bit in order and add the .config for the kernel.

If necessary to get that 1440kB FDD target I do consider having only dbclient (dropbear but as SSH client) or just toybox (with wget enabled) to download the latter into a ramdisk.
Or using busybox.

Tho ideally I could use #toybox+#musl since that wpuld make it easier to get cross-compiled, tho again I'm not fixed on either and would consider both.

The idea is to use that sleek baseline to expand.

@whitekiba In that regard I could try to get that #linux + #toybox thing to work...

I just need to get network up and running...

toybox has wget integrated so it should be able to just pull dropbear...

Just doing like a #tmpfs, yeeting everything in it and mount it as /...
https://www.linuxbabe.com/command-line/create-ramdisk-linux

@whitekiba yeah, I got lit 1,6 MB for the bzImage as i486 with USB, Ethernet, WiFi and SMB support...

But that would be like a "base version...

I mean, I do have some ambitious goals, but I don't expect to be able to fit even ne [nice editor] into 1440kB..

In fact I wounder how much I can gut #toybox down further to get that " #Floppinux but with ethernet and #SSH client " goal...
https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337/blob/main/docu/project-goals.md

I mean from there on it would be easy to expand this into a fancy #CLI-oriented desktop

@whitekiba Personally I just want to have a "#FrugalComputing" distro that at least works as an #SSH "#ThinClient" or #Terminal...

But sadly I really hit a brick wall getting stuff optimized so that I can fit the absolute bare minimums in there...

After all, I just want a minimal #Linux that offers me a #Terminal and can run #dropbear as #SSH client and let the #toybox do the boring userland housekeeping.

Any advice?

https://os1337.com/

@beforewisdom @razze OFC, since #fish isn't #sh or #bash-compatible, it may not work for everyone, and sadly it doesn't work as a replacement on most commercial setups.

That being said I do think wish for that to be fixed with some addon or similar.

After all, #toybox comes with a minimalist bash that may be repurposed elsewhere.

@beforewisdom and I do struggle getting it down to < 1440kB with #toybox added to it without ending up with a system so cut down and barebones like #Floppinux that it's not useable for anything.

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110954352328762520

@beforewisdom @Yehuda @fsf for example I do intend to migrate from #bash to #fish simply because it's not only not affiliated with #Stallman and the #FSF / #GNU but also because it's superior in any way.

Granted I don't expect #toybox to drop it's built-in minimalist mostly #bash-compatible #shell for #fish as this would result in precompiled binaries in the double-digit Megabytes and not triple-digit Kilobytes.

And OFC that's not practical beyond a "terminal" system...
https://github.com/OS-1337/OS1337

@beforewisdom @Yehuda @fsf exactly.

As for the #GNUtils like #bash, I do work on getting rid of them as well where I can.

I am currently working on a #minimalist #embedded distro based off #toybox / #Linux + #musl, because #Glibc is a shitty mess that bricks stuff at random in minor version updates for no good reason!
http://os1337.com

@lunaa @yura @torvalds I know...

There's a reason Distros like #AlpineLinux, #ChimeraLinux and almost all #embedded systems using #Busybox or #Toybox want to get rid of #glibc if not replace it with something like #uClinux, #musl,or another #libc...

Because glibc bricking stuff with minor updates kills any #CCSS and any non-#FLOSS that can't be recompiled.

And what RMS et. al. may see as intentional, I think is the biggest issie that prevents #Linux from dominating #Desktop|s!

@arialdo @xenodium and even if I wanted to have these, why would I "choose" these over #Busybox's integrated substitutes and/or #Toybox + "portable" / standalone binaries of the tools in question.

Just admit that you want an #IDE + #Userland in one big application and accept that as your choice...

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110715637110762494