Remember when we were told that the #UFoI thing wasn't just qoto?

ᐅ openssl s_client -brief ufoi.org:443 2>&1 | grep CN
depth=0 CN = *.qoto.io
depth=0 CN = *.qoto.io
depth=0 CN = *.qoto.io
Peer certificate: CN = *.qoto.io

so when is #UFoI doing stuff again. I want more cheap entertainment.

@realcaseyrollins @ufoi @casey-magazine @freemo #UFOI is meant to legitimize bad actors. That's why most of the #fediverse has blocked them. #fediblockmeta

@SETIEric @futurebird @kichae @oliphant You have stepped on a landmine. As far as I can see #UFoI is controversial. Many instances have sworn to defer rate from anyone that joins it, due to personal history with the founder, issues with the speed and reliability of moderation by committee and other issues. We are into cat herding territory here.

Think before you post. Every time you joke "my balls ache #ufoi", someone whose balls ache might read that and think there's something wrong with themselves.

@probgoblin *leaning into the microphone* My name Jeff. #UFOI

My balls ache #UFOI

:heejinlaugh: https://ufoi.info

#ufoi

:heejinlaugh: ufoi.info

#ufoi

@Graycot @albinanigans There are a lot of people who are extremely salty about #ufoi due to its association with the qoto.org admin, who has lashed out on a couple of occasions and gotten qoto #fediblocked. The qoto local timeline is cordial and non-problematic, but some admins are evidently comfortable banning all qoto users due its admin's missteps, and paint #ufoi as a nefarious project to quietly platform Nazis.

It's all pretty fucking stupid, tbh.

There's an ongoing effort called the #UFoI, United Federation of Instances, with a website on https://ufoi.org/. Perhaps a community driven, well defined process such as this is the way to go. I'm not sure the UFoI defines a body to make the decisions or handle complaints, but perhaps it should?

@aral touches on something important here:

https://ar.al/2022/11/09/is-the-fediverse-about-to-get-fryed-or-why-every-toot-is-also-a-potential-denial-of-service-attack/

this is why i don't do server-wide blocks unless legally required to.

ideally, we wouldn't rely on the good graces of server admins to maintain our access to the network.

it isn't really necessary to tie user identities up with specific servers. other identity models are possible, but ActivityPub doesn't facilitate them.

seeing as ActivityPub is what we are stuck with for the time being, the only way i can imagine fixing this power imbalance is for server admins to organise.

the closest thing i've seen to it is #UFoI but their goals don't align with that idea, since their primary focus is moderation, not federation or decentralisation.

I presume the F in #UFoI stands for Fedora?

@jbc_3 https://ufoi.org/

Members get 1 vote per user, and of course qoto.org, the founding instance, also happens to be by far the largest, meaning "democratic control" really means control by qoto.org.

There's been some discussion on the fediblock hashtag, and I imagine #ufoi has some discussion on it.

@oliphant @Popehat

Did #UFoI #coup its leadership twice in one week?

Can #trolling cause a #heartAttack?

How many accounts involved in UFoI or discussion of it are actually #alts of well-known players?

Is there a chip so massive that it will fall from a shoulder of its own accord?

Find out on the next series of UFoI #spam!

Stay tuned...

@Transparency Jesus christ. I hope they are okay. No matter what you think about #UFoI, #Fediblock (yes I'm using this as a meta tag this time) or #Fedifence, this is NOT okay. This is harassment (against UFoI instances, in this case).

I hope they recover soon. Well wishes to Ryle.

Edit: I really hope Ryle isn't directly looking at their account if they're still being harrassed ><

if you're in the #UFOI

please let me know so i can block you even tho most of them were blocked before y'all even existed

I see the #UFOI crash-collision with reality continues apace

For those who want to know what it's about here's a tl;dr

UFOI: "We want you to join a thing that's the exact opposite of what Mastodon and the Fediverse is about. We, a bunch of mostly white, cis men will have say over when an instance may be blocked. You, the server owner, may not"

LGBT Instances: "We ain't that fucking stupid, Musk Brad"

@thomas Don't want to push you in making a statement but I am really interested in your expert view on that whole #UFoI thing. I've got mine but maybe I am missing a point.

I cannot help but see UFoI as positioning itself to become a centralized moderation council - no different than birdsite, et al.

We just left that failed methodology, why are some so keen on recreating it? Have we learned nothing?

A digital courthouse wrapped in ‘alliance’ when none is needed. How does this not reek of control to these founders? It’s the antithesis to Mastodon, ActivityPub, and decentralization as a whole.

UFoI: A solution looking for a problem

#UFoI #decentralized