Here's something fun. A dual interview with Programming Visionaries Donald Knuth and Niklaus Wirth from 1985 - https://computeradsfromthepast.substack.com/p/interview-with-programming-visionaries #PChistory #Knuth #Wirth

As little scraps of paper Scattered wide as leaves
With flower faces
~ Issa

#tarot #tarotdemarseille #marseilletarot #wirth

As little scraps of paper Scattered wide as leaves
With flower faces
~ Issa

#tarot #tarotdemarseille #marseilletarot #wirth

`leggo` flash! è morto a 72 anni roberto wirth, proprietario dello storico hotel hassler a roma - Cronache #leggo #flash #morto #roberto #wirth #proprietario #storico #hotel #hassler #roma #cronache #6giugno https://parliamodi.news/article/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5kYWdvc3BpYS5jb20vcnVicmljYS0yOS9jcm9uYWNoZS9tb3J0by03Mi1hbm5pLXJvYmVydG8td2lydGgtcHJvcHJpZXRhcmlvLXN0b3JpY28taG90ZWwtMzEyNzM3Lmh0bQ==

RT @TobiasBringmann
#Wirth wurde als späterer Innenminister 1931 von #Hindenburg aus der Politik gedrängt. 1933 floh er aus Deutschland.
#Adenauer verweigerte ihm nach 1949 die Pension, weil er dessen, der reinen #Westbindung widersprechenden, Ausgleichspolitik auch mit dem Osten, missbilligte.

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There are two orthogonal forces at work in the Squeak team [...] the incremental improvement plane (which #AlanKey calls the "pink" plane) and the paradigm shift (or "blue") plane. [...]

The forces in the pink plane have to do with making an ever-better Smalltalk-80 system [...]

The forces in the blue plane have to do with [...] an exquisite personal comuputing environment. [...]

One aspect is that things must stay small and simple enough that they remain comprehensible and accessible to a single person.
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From http://web.archive.org/web/20050406063507/http://squeak.org/about/headed-prev-vers.html

I'm always amazed to see how ancient is the quest for #simplicity.

#Jehanne, #Wirth's #Oberon, #TempleOS, #Squeak... we are all looking for the same Holy Grail, dreaming the same dream but in a different way...

Hi, @mjd totally agree.

Given your desires, you might like #Wirth's #Oberon, both as a language and operating system (I do not know if it needs a MMU, though, but to be honest a MMU looks like a quite reasonable hw requirement to me, even just for security reasons).

As for your "free" language of choice, I used to agree more in the past. #Lua is likely a good choice because it's possible to study its implementation in a week, but can we say the same about #C and #Python?

I used to like both a lot but

- Python is complex and its standard library is huge

- C is quite simple (I have no issue with pointers, more with it's syntax, too arcane for beginners) but its standard includes a crazy standard library

In general we should consider any program that requires more than a month to be completely understood in a month broken by design as locked to a few vendors OR an élite.

Thus how broken are #GCC, #Clang, #CPython, #NodeJS and so on?

@natecull

A WASM OS sounds like a very dystopic nightmare.

#Wirth's #Oberon is another attempt into this direction.

I think the biggest advantage of these systems (far ahead of their times) is that they assume no difference between user and programmer.

Also (afaik) they were all single-user systems and I'm unable to say if the two aspects are related or this characteristic is just derived by the hardware/culture of the time.

On the other hand, I would not say that #Unix operating systems belongs to the same family, despite being mostly written in C.

It looks like they actually assume/impose a strong separation between user and programmer even just in their perception of the system.

Maybe the multi-user approach is just a further application of this separation.

"What have I learnt?" asks Niklaus #Wirth.
"#Programs must not be regarded as #code for #computers, but as #literature for #humans"

I hope that one day people will really understand and embrace Wirth's legacy.

We will have a better cybernetic world then.

https://video.ethz.ch/conferences/2014/wirth/d40b0ce9-b9fa-4ba3-8dee-cf9d0c6f01a4.html

#Kopplung als #Problem der #Gleichzeitig(keit) #autopoietisch(er) #Geschlossenheit und #Abhängig(keit) von #Umwelt: #Verweis auf #Unterscheidung von #operation(aler) und #strukturell(er) #Kopplung

#Operation: #Fortsetzung von #Sein
#Struktur: #Bedingung der #Möglichkeit von #Sein

#Existenz #Sinn

#Lexikon des #Systemisch(en) #Arbeiten(s), Jan V. #Wirth, Heiko #Kleve, #Kopplung, Franz #Hoegl

https://www.carl-auer.de/magazin/systemisches-lexikon/kopplung