I've seen this on four social networks in the #Fediverse now in just over a week - #ActivityPub, #ZOT, #nostr, and #Movim/XMPP. These memes are going around, but what about those privacy disrespecting, deprecated legacy silos like #Faceplant, #Twitter, and #InstaSPAM or #Reddit - Why is it that we're preaching to the choir instead of to the sinners of the #SunnyVale_Syndrome?

Go forth, save those poor souls over on the silos, Tell them that they're pork bellies. Muahahaha!

#tallship

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@mike @streams

Thanks Mike! Stellar work :)

And I've also announced it here in the #Fediverse_City room too:
https://matrix.to/#/!hvqLOjQUcosdvoXNrz:matrix.org/$TNOncGig4ZzimIxGCaZ8sbfVM9eUx1_ONN6kcbf4nYI?via=hackliberty.org&via=matrix.org&via=arcticfoxes.net

There's always questions and discussions surrounding Streams, #Hubzilla, #Zap, and #Friendica going on there too, as well as the internetworking between Diaspora/ZOT/ActivityPub protocols.

Everyone is always welcome, but you're especially invited anytime.

Kindest regards,

Bradley

#tallship #FOSS #Fediverse #ZOT #Streams #NOMAD

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Intersezionalismo @samatari2, intersezionalismo

#MeBonTheory #ZoT

https://www.lastampa.it/la-zampa/2023/08/15/news/non_piaccio_gatto-411157463/

Caro @samatari2 che ne pensi di questa svolta post-antropocentrica di Luciano Onder?

https://www.repubblica.it/la-zampa/2023/07/29/news/caldo_gatto_beve_abbastanza-409343988/

#ZOT

@PavelVoronezh
> the ability to back up data on one of the friendly servers

Have you looked into the Zot protocol and its Nomadic Identity? It does exactly that. Of all the fediverse software I'm aware of, only Hubzilla and Streams implement Zot. I'm pretty sure Zot apps could already do this when ActivityPub was being drafted. Not sure why this capability wasn't included in AP

#Zot #NomadicIdentity

@smallcircles @rolle @wrigleyfield

@agturcz @m0bi13 @miklo @ftdl @rysiek @74 @kalisz79 @pawelszczur @kuna@key.hollow.capital
Wyjścia są dwa, jeśli chodzi o
#prywatnosc #privacy :
1. AP (publiczny) + coś prywatnego (np. #matrix )
2. Stawianie serwisów w oparciu protokół #Nomad (dawniej #Zot ), czyli #Streams lub #Hubzilla – w ramach tego użytkownicy/instancje mogą gadać ze sobą bezpiecznie i prywatnie lub publicznie, jak zechcą i przyłączać AP, jak zechcą
• Problem1 – Żadne z tych rozwiązań nie jest wystarczająco proste dla normalsów.
• Problem2 – Integracja w ramach AP idzie w kierunku zgodności z Masto. Np. ostatnio próbowałem szerować #wydarzenia z #mobilizon do #Friendica – czasem się wprowadza do kalendarza, czasem nie, cholera wie dlaczego, a proste info dla Masto jest zawsze poprawne. Co ciekawe, zauważyłem projekty integracji #Flarum #Nodebb #Discourse z AP i już myślałem, że będziemy mieć sfederowane fora, co byłoby super ciekawe (patrz obrazek). Niestety, to też idzie w kierunku integracji z Masto, który pewnie będzie alternatywą dla emaila (nic ciekawego).
WNIOSKI. Podstawą integracji w AP długo będą proste komunikaty Mastodona. Chyba najlepiej używać czegoś zaawansowanego w tym formacie. Obecnie #FireFish – obsługuje #grupy i #grupyprywatne (prywatność umowna) plus do tego co kto chce. Wybrańcy mogą używać #Streams .

@magnusmanske That's called #openWebAuth, and it's implemented in the #zot world (for instance with #hubzilla)

@reiver Maybe I'm wrong but I seem to recall that #Zot does support sending in batches.

Either way, I feel like it makes a lot of sense to move in this direction. Are there any reasons (I can't think of any but maybe I'm missing something?) why this is not a good idea?

@ariadne Kind of both instead, and OIDC would still provide disappointing data resiliency.

#Zot's idea is better, it mitigates some of the inherent brittleness of instance-centrism (albeit via replication/clones instead of a message-centric approach).

Don't know about it enough, so I'm wondering: how feasible would it be to retrofit #Zot/#HubZilla-style "nomadic accounts" to the #ActivityPub protocol? i.e. the replication and unification of accounts on different fediverse servers. It's one of those things that sounds like it should be a standard feature of any #Fediverse protocol, as a form of data resilience and censorship-resistance.

I wonder if zot protocol is more lightweight than activitypub protocol, but knowing that zot has more features than activitypub I guess it shouldn't be more lightweight? Anyway whether it better or not why not make Mastodon version based/working on zot instead of activitypub for diversity sake. I think one protocol is not enough, and I heard activitypub is not that good, that some people are sceptical about it being the best solution for decentralized email-like social network that we want, - from technical point of view, maybe too over complicated to be really sustainable, I don't know.

#zot #activitypub #mastodon

@thomholwerda If you want to use a software with the account of another software, they need to support #OpenWebAuth protocol. Currently, all #Zot familly (#Hubzilla, #Zap, #Stream...) support it.

Just had the pleasurable experience of migrating a Mastodon account (not even to another Mastodon instance) and god damn that felt risky. I mean, account migration is a destructive action but the whole time I felt like I was doing it wrong. Not to mention the two platforms I was migrating between had somewhat conflicting instructions on how to do it.

Really got to try #zot sometime with its nomadic identity...

The real sticking point in implementing portable accounts/ nomadic identity in the ActivityPub branch of the #fediverse - like what Zot and AT Protocol offer - is its implications for how moderation works.

"The hard part however, is the social one: we collectively need to agree that the identity resolution layer is infrastructure and not somewhere moderation actions should take place."

https://shadowfacts.net/2023/activitypub-portable-identity/

#ActivityPub #Zot #ATProtocol

@volkris interesting view. Web of trust-ness seems to be there in #SecureScuttlebutt (it "gossips" content from friends and friend-of-friend, friends are cryptographically verified by design).

Per your view, #Zot / #Nomad would work well on the user-in-control front (although whether their #Hubzilla / #Streams UX implementations work for users is questionable).

@olives I have not seen too many approaches being available. There is open-house #ActivityPub, clique-y #Zot / #Nomad or this invite system which seems to be in between.

Scale isn't something a federated system should care about. That and vulnerable groups are a non-tech problem, they are not nails for the tech hammer.

It is fine for somebody giving out an invite to be liable in that sense, it will make sure invites are used judiciously.

One thing that I want to know about #BlueSky is why they went with a proprietary #ATProtocol instead of something like #Zot, Streams, or whatever #Hubzilla is using these days.

Yeah, it's a fancier than #ActivityPub and has useful stuff it lacks, but the primary selling point is supposed to be nomadic identity. Zot is much better at that specifically than AtProtocol is designed to be from what I can understand of their docs.

@alastor8472 Reasonable account portability is #1 on my wish list of next steps that I feel should have been implemented long ago. It also seems like something that the Mastodon devs in particular are not interested in implementing any time soon.

I like what I've seen from #Zot with #NomadicIdentity. I wish more #ActivityPub devs would consider that option.

@blacklight I know this is not a popular opinion, but I actually feel like the lack of actual account portability is one of my biggest annoyances right now. And I think it is holding back progress. Like, I feel like the ability to switch hosts was one of the selling points for me on the fediverse. But, at least as far as Mastodon stands, people can't even move their posts. Which for a lot of people is important.

It's been a while since I looked into the specs, but I seem to recall #BlueSky was talking about keeping a synced local copy of all your data so if your server goes down, you can just upload your copy to a new one. I'd rather we look at what #Zot has done with nomadic identity. It seems to have been working fine for like a decade already.

@mike

Ah, @youronlyone - There we have it Yuki, from the Man himself that created #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Streams, #Red_Matrix, #Zap, and #ZOT (and so much more)!

Thanks Mike! Not just for that tidbit, but all the remarkable things you've done for us!

Kindest regards,

#tallship

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